1 00:04:26,870 --> 00:04:23,350 hope everybody's doing well i will bring 2 00:04:31,749 --> 00:04:29,670 and yeah normally i would if i was doing 3 00:04:33,909 --> 00:04:31,759 like a live 4 00:04:36,070 --> 00:04:33,919 ask me anything i would i would take 5 00:04:39,510 --> 00:04:36,080 questions but my my questions i have 6 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:39,520 written for lou some of them are kind of 7 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:42,160 involved so i kind of gotta focus and i 8 00:04:46,629 --> 00:04:43,360 probably will not get to all my 9 00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:46,639 questions i pulled some questions 10 00:04:49,270 --> 00:04:48,160 from twitter 11 00:04:50,950 --> 00:04:49,280 but 12 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:50,960 hopefully i'll get to some of those too 13 00:04:55,830 --> 00:04:53,280 i have too many questions 14 00:04:56,950 --> 00:04:55,840 too many questions 15 00:05:11,350 --> 00:04:56,960 too many 16 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,990 here we go 17 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:18,390 the comments are making me the insults 18 00:05:22,710 --> 00:05:20,960 are making me relax so i appreciate that 19 00:05:24,469 --> 00:05:22,720 but that's fine 20 00:05:25,590 --> 00:05:24,479 all right i'm gonna bring louie in two 21 00:05:27,189 --> 00:05:25,600 minutes 22 00:05:28,390 --> 00:05:27,199 um 23 00:05:31,590 --> 00:05:28,400 like i said 24 00:05:33,590 --> 00:05:31,600 i'll try to glance at the chat but 25 00:05:35,590 --> 00:05:33,600 i am pretty good at multitasking but 26 00:05:37,430 --> 00:05:35,600 today i'll probably just focus on 27 00:05:39,189 --> 00:05:37,440 questions 28 00:05:41,350 --> 00:05:39,199 and i've been listening to as many 29 00:05:43,990 --> 00:05:41,360 little interviews as i can as i 30 00:05:46,150 --> 00:05:44,000 been able to in the past couple of days 31 00:05:48,550 --> 00:05:46,160 which is a lot because he's constantly 32 00:05:50,390 --> 00:05:48,560 doing this which is amazing for us we've 33 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:50,400 we don't have anybody in this community 34 00:05:59,350 --> 00:05:54,080 except maybe brandon fugel who was this 35 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:01,590 and 36 00:06:05,189 --> 00:06:03,520 i have a lot of eric davis related 37 00:06:08,070 --> 00:06:05,199 questions of course because i speak to 38 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:08,080 eric communicate with eric 39 00:06:11,110 --> 00:06:09,759 he writes like you would not believe 40 00:06:12,309 --> 00:06:11,120 although he's been busy for the past 41 00:06:14,230 --> 00:06:12,319 couple of months 42 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:14,240 but i write he shares so much 43 00:06:21,590 --> 00:06:18,830 if i have a question about history of 44 00:06:24,390 --> 00:06:21,600 ufology he's the one he's the one i go 45 00:06:28,950 --> 00:06:27,510 big echo there's a big echo 46 00:06:30,629 --> 00:06:28,960 everybody else anybody else have the 47 00:06:34,070 --> 00:06:30,639 echo 48 00:06:43,110 --> 00:06:35,350 uh in the chat just let me know if 49 00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:45,189 okay it's you david 50 00:06:49,189 --> 00:06:47,120 all right i'm gonna bring lou in 51 00:06:58,070 --> 00:06:49,199 it is 52 00:07:02,070 --> 00:06:59,990 yeah david nobody else has an echo so it 53 00:07:03,909 --> 00:07:02,080 may be something on your end check to 54 00:07:05,350 --> 00:07:03,919 see if you have two windows open 55 00:07:07,350 --> 00:07:05,360 although that shouldn't cause an echo 56 00:07:10,309 --> 00:07:07,360 usually 57 00:07:15,110 --> 00:07:13,430 there he is mr lou elizondo it's been a 58 00:07:16,390 --> 00:07:15,120 long time coming lou thank you so much 59 00:07:17,990 --> 00:07:16,400 for doing this 60 00:07:19,670 --> 00:07:18,000 sir my honor and privilege and by the 61 00:07:20,870 --> 00:07:19,680 way i've been uh following a lot of your 62 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:20,880 your work thank you for what you're 63 00:07:24,790 --> 00:07:22,800 doing in your tireless efforts 64 00:07:26,629 --> 00:07:24,800 um you know it's it's really making a 65 00:07:28,550 --> 00:07:26,639 difference um we're kind of all a 66 00:07:30,469 --> 00:07:28,560 coalition here right and we're we're all 67 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:30,479 kind of trying to do our part and i just 68 00:07:33,749 --> 00:07:32,080 want to say thank you for for the 69 00:07:35,589 --> 00:07:33,759 outstanding work 70 00:07:37,510 --> 00:07:35,599 you're welcome and and i know i do get a 71 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:37,520 little out of control on twitter when i 72 00:07:40,790 --> 00:07:39,280 defend you and i defend others but there 73 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:40,800 are people that 74 00:07:47,110 --> 00:07:43,840 things that i just can't with my 75 00:07:48,869 --> 00:07:47,120 sicilian background i can't shut up 76 00:07:50,550 --> 00:07:48,879 so sometimes i go overboard and i 77 00:07:52,150 --> 00:07:50,560 apologize for that but it's just that's 78 00:07:53,909 --> 00:07:52,160 just in my nature and i try to get it 79 00:07:56,629 --> 00:07:53,919 under control but it's tough 80 00:07:58,950 --> 00:07:56,639 yeah no i i i hear you loud and clear 81 00:08:01,029 --> 00:07:58,960 you know it's it's funny that the 82 00:08:02,629 --> 00:08:01,039 look i i don't mind uh someone who 83 00:08:04,869 --> 00:08:02,639 doesn't like me i'm cool with that you 84 00:08:06,790 --> 00:08:04,879 know you don't have to like me but when 85 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:06,800 people make things up um that's a 86 00:08:10,469 --> 00:08:08,160 different story right and then when you 87 00:08:12,469 --> 00:08:10,479 challenge them on it either though but 88 00:08:14,869 --> 00:08:12,479 i got a buddy of mine who uh who was 89 00:08:17,510 --> 00:08:14,879 blocked by somebody who uh you know it's 90 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:17,520 been been fairly critical lately uh unb 91 00:08:21,909 --> 00:08:20,160 by the way um unsubstantiated too 92 00:08:23,510 --> 00:08:21,919 and of course you know that a lot of 93 00:08:25,110 --> 00:08:23,520 these people are willing to to dish it 94 00:08:26,869 --> 00:08:25,120 out but the moment someone comes in with 95 00:08:29,350 --> 00:08:26,879 a counter argument they they block you 96 00:08:31,589 --> 00:08:29,360 you know i don't want to hear and so 97 00:08:33,110 --> 00:08:31,599 it is frustrating um you know every day 98 00:08:34,310 --> 00:08:33,120 it's like i get some new accusation 99 00:08:35,589 --> 00:08:34,320 where 100 00:08:36,709 --> 00:08:35,599 i can't tell how many times that people 101 00:08:38,230 --> 00:08:36,719 say well when you can do a real 102 00:08:39,990 --> 00:08:38,240 interview and do it with somebody who 103 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:40,000 doesn't necessarily like you and you 104 00:08:42,389 --> 00:08:41,360 only do interviews that you know people 105 00:08:44,470 --> 00:08:42,399 that like you i said well that's not 106 00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:44,480 true i mean if you look at 107 00:08:48,310 --> 00:08:46,320 at the long list of individuals who've 108 00:08:50,870 --> 00:08:48,320 written hit pieces on me whether it's 109 00:08:52,389 --> 00:08:50,880 claw or skulls or you know even even 110 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:52,399 folks that don't really particularly 111 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:54,560 like green street or even greenwald or 112 00:08:58,150 --> 00:08:56,480 jimmy church or mick west i've spoken to 113 00:08:59,269 --> 00:08:58,160 all of them and they're not i mean in 114 00:09:00,870 --> 00:08:59,279 some cases these people aren't 115 00:09:02,870 --> 00:09:00,880 necessarily bad people you know they 116 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:02,880 just they just disagreed with my my 117 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:04,880 position but i've given them time and 118 00:09:08,389 --> 00:09:06,320 i've given interviews in multiple 119 00:09:10,389 --> 00:09:08,399 interviews and it's i'm not asking 120 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:10,399 people to to agree with me or disagree 121 00:09:13,509 --> 00:09:11,920 what i'm simply asking people to do is 122 00:09:15,509 --> 00:09:13,519 think for themselves 123 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:15,519 and i just you know twitter is one of 124 00:09:19,590 --> 00:09:17,040 the things where anybody can say 125 00:09:20,470 --> 00:09:19,600 anything and even if it's unqualified 126 00:09:22,550 --> 00:09:20,480 and 127 00:09:23,670 --> 00:09:22,560 that to me is it's it's a bit 128 00:09:26,389 --> 00:09:23,680 it's a bit concerning because i'm not 129 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:26,399 sure everybody on social media realizes 130 00:09:31,829 --> 00:09:28,800 on social media that you know 131 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:31,839 really anybody can say anything and uh a 132 00:09:35,110 --> 00:09:33,440 lot of things that people say aren't 133 00:09:36,470 --> 00:09:35,120 aren't qualified they they just haven't 134 00:09:37,750 --> 00:09:36,480 done their their research they're not 135 00:09:39,110 --> 00:09:37,760 they're not based in fact they're based 136 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:39,120 on emotion you know maybe i don't like 137 00:09:43,509 --> 00:09:40,080 lose 138 00:09:45,509 --> 00:09:43,519 the day right and so i'm just going to 139 00:09:46,630 --> 00:09:45,519 throw something out there and then when 140 00:09:48,150 --> 00:09:46,640 they're challenged on it they don't 141 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:48,160 retract it they just kind of disappear 142 00:09:52,389 --> 00:09:49,120 into the 143 00:09:53,430 --> 00:09:52,399 that is the psychology of social media 144 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:53,440 you know but 145 00:09:56,230 --> 00:09:54,560 a lot of these things people would never 146 00:09:58,790 --> 00:09:56,240 be willing to say to your face joe and 147 00:10:00,310 --> 00:09:58,800 yet you know behind this magical screen 148 00:10:02,710 --> 00:10:00,320 of protection where i can hide in 149 00:10:04,389 --> 00:10:02,720 anonymity you know for some reason it's 150 00:10:05,670 --> 00:10:04,399 almost this mob mentality where people 151 00:10:07,030 --> 00:10:05,680 feel that they can throw tomatoes and 152 00:10:08,550 --> 00:10:07,040 then hide their hand behind their back 153 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:08,560 and no one will know 154 00:10:11,829 --> 00:10:10,480 um you know i think it's disingenuous a 155 00:10:12,949 --> 00:10:11,839 lot of these people that will tell me 156 00:10:14,550 --> 00:10:12,959 hey lou why don't you just come out and 157 00:10:16,230 --> 00:10:14,560 say everything you know and and go to 158 00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:16,240 jail and go you know provide secrets 159 00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:17,760 that you know you shouldn't be saying 160 00:10:21,269 --> 00:10:19,760 and violate your nda these are the same 161 00:10:23,350 --> 00:10:21,279 people that don't even put their real 162 00:10:25,670 --> 00:10:23,360 name on their twitter handle right they 163 00:10:26,790 --> 00:10:25,680 hide behind a a fake name and a screen 164 00:10:28,949 --> 00:10:26,800 name so 165 00:10:31,990 --> 00:10:28,959 i just i i think a lot of people are 166 00:10:33,670 --> 00:10:32,000 probably becoming more wise to this um i 167 00:10:34,949 --> 00:10:33,680 was shocked to see the level of this and 168 00:10:35,910 --> 00:10:34,959 then when you have people like you that 169 00:10:38,069 --> 00:10:35,920 are just trying to have an honest 170 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:38,079 conversation and ask honest questions 171 00:10:41,910 --> 00:10:40,320 you know that hatred extends to you and 172 00:10:43,910 --> 00:10:41,920 and to me that's the most egregious if 173 00:10:45,750 --> 00:10:43,920 you want to attack me fine don't attack 174 00:10:47,829 --> 00:10:45,760 my family don't attack people that that 175 00:10:49,269 --> 00:10:47,839 want to have an engagement on this topic 176 00:10:50,230 --> 00:10:49,279 just because they disagree with your 177 00:10:51,910 --> 00:10:50,240 opinion 178 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:51,920 you know when you get to the point where 179 00:10:55,269 --> 00:10:53,360 you have threatening language which by 180 00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:55,279 the way i don't advise anybody ever do 181 00:10:58,150 --> 00:10:57,200 um you know because that's that's 182 00:10:59,509 --> 00:10:58,160 serious 183 00:11:01,750 --> 00:10:59,519 when you when you do that you're going 184 00:11:03,030 --> 00:11:01,760 to elicit certain responses and not all 185 00:11:04,150 --> 00:11:03,040 of them are necessarily going to be very 186 00:11:05,110 --> 00:11:04,160 good 187 00:11:06,470 --> 00:11:05,120 um 188 00:11:08,550 --> 00:11:06,480 you know i i don't think there's a need 189 00:11:10,790 --> 00:11:08,560 for it i think we need to all kind of 190 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:10,800 sit back relax and and tone down the 191 00:11:13,829 --> 00:11:11,760 rhetoric 192 00:11:15,590 --> 00:11:13,839 um there's a big concern right now that 193 00:11:17,190 --> 00:11:15,600 i have that's distracting a little bit 194 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:17,200 from this topic which is a current issue 195 00:11:21,269 --> 00:11:19,040 in ukraine i mean there there are 196 00:11:23,430 --> 00:11:21,279 innocent people dying right now 197 00:11:24,630 --> 00:11:23,440 and in in terrible ways in in children 198 00:11:30,389 --> 00:11:24,640 and and 199 00:11:31,509 --> 00:11:30,399 you know i i just think we should we 200 00:11:33,990 --> 00:11:31,519 should be a little bit more civil 201 00:11:36,470 --> 00:11:34,000 towards each other um i just think we we 202 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:36,480 we need to take a breath step back 203 00:11:41,110 --> 00:11:39,360 let's have a conversation um you know i 204 00:11:43,110 --> 00:11:41,120 i i'm not the kind of guy that that 205 00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:43,120 takes threats very well 206 00:11:46,870 --> 00:11:44,880 because of my past you know it's pretty 207 00:11:49,590 --> 00:11:46,880 clear if anybody who knows me knows the 208 00:11:51,509 --> 00:11:49,600 organizations i was associated with um 209 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:51,519 we can have civil conver we can have 210 00:11:58,949 --> 00:11:55,600 civil conversations without having to to 211 00:12:00,710 --> 00:11:58,959 to resort to those low-level you know um 212 00:12:02,069 --> 00:12:00,720 tactics uh because they're not effective 213 00:12:04,470 --> 00:12:02,079 what it does it it brings the whole 214 00:12:06,629 --> 00:12:04,480 conversation down in in this in this 215 00:12:07,509 --> 00:12:06,639 discussion of uaps or ufo where you want 216 00:12:10,150 --> 00:12:07,519 to call it 217 00:12:12,550 --> 00:12:10,160 ufo twitter or anything like that 218 00:12:14,389 --> 00:12:12,560 i think i think anybody from the outside 219 00:12:16,949 --> 00:12:14,399 that comes in and looks at that 220 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:16,959 realizes that you know there's there's 221 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:18,880 some dysfunction and what we're trying 222 00:12:23,829 --> 00:12:22,160 to do is is bring everybody up not push 223 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:23,839 people down so 224 00:12:27,030 --> 00:12:25,920 that's just my my two cents or maybe 225 00:12:28,629 --> 00:12:27,040 three cents 226 00:12:30,470 --> 00:12:28,639 yeah and i need to do a better job of it 227 00:12:33,509 --> 00:12:30,480 myself you know i fall into that trap 228 00:12:35,269 --> 00:12:33,519 sometimes but it's it's tough um but 229 00:12:37,269 --> 00:12:35,279 my first question is 230 00:12:39,509 --> 00:12:37,279 would you violate your security oath if 231 00:12:41,750 --> 00:12:39,519 it meant pineapple on pizza would be 232 00:12:45,110 --> 00:12:41,760 banned from the face of the earth 233 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:45,120 boy that's a hard one maybe uh no um 234 00:12:48,550 --> 00:12:46,320 no you don't have to answer that i'm 235 00:12:49,829 --> 00:12:48,560 just yeah i know 236 00:12:51,350 --> 00:12:49,839 yeah you know i 237 00:12:52,710 --> 00:12:51,360 the one thing i you know i say a lot of 238 00:12:53,350 --> 00:12:52,720 things in jest sometimes you know i 239 00:12:55,030 --> 00:12:53,360 don't really have an issue with 240 00:12:56,470 --> 00:12:55,040 pineapple on pizza i don't prefer but 241 00:12:57,910 --> 00:12:56,480 you know it's 242 00:12:59,750 --> 00:12:57,920 it's you know sometimes it's just light 243 00:13:01,430 --> 00:12:59,760 humor to get people talking and realize 244 00:13:03,269 --> 00:13:01,440 that you know i'm human too right i have 245 00:13:05,670 --> 00:13:03,279 a sense of humor i've got a i've got a 246 00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:05,680 life beyond ufos not much of one but i 247 00:13:10,069 --> 00:13:08,160 do have a little bit of one um you know 248 00:13:12,629 --> 00:13:10,079 and i'm human too and so 249 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:12,639 uh i try to to to humanize the 250 00:13:16,389 --> 00:13:15,040 conversation the best i can because 251 00:13:17,750 --> 00:13:16,399 ultimately this is this is a 252 00:13:19,670 --> 00:13:17,760 conversation that all of us should be 253 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:19,680 engaged in um and and it's happening and 254 00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:21,440 by the way let me just tell you before 255 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:23,360 we get into some questions here 256 00:13:27,030 --> 00:13:25,760 um two days ago was a historic day and 257 00:13:28,550 --> 00:13:27,040 joe you're the first person that's going 258 00:13:31,509 --> 00:13:28,560 to know this publicly it's happening 259 00:13:33,629 --> 00:13:31,519 right now in your podcast um i am very 260 00:13:35,269 --> 00:13:33,639 pleased to announce that there was a 261 00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:35,279 significant 262 00:13:44,069 --> 00:13:42,480 achieved about a day and a half ago 263 00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:44,079 without going into a lot of detail it 264 00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:46,320 may come out public it may not 265 00:13:51,430 --> 00:13:48,399 but i think um the 266 00:13:53,189 --> 00:13:51,440 nim aviation the national intelligence 267 00:13:54,870 --> 00:13:53,199 manager for aviation under the director 268 00:13:56,629 --> 00:13:54,880 of national intelligence 269 00:13:59,350 --> 00:13:56,639 uh the two-star general needs to be 270 00:14:02,629 --> 00:13:59,360 significantly applauded um 271 00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:02,639 there was some significant effort in 272 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:03,920 that i think is certainly in the 273 00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:05,440 interest of the united states and the 274 00:14:09,910 --> 00:14:08,000 american people um that just occurred 275 00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:09,920 and so i want to do a real quick shout 276 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:12,800 out and a huge sincere thank you 277 00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:15,120 to the wonderful folks at the dni 278 00:14:20,870 --> 00:14:18,480 and the and the uh nym aviation um the 279 00:14:23,509 --> 00:14:20,880 general uh for for outstanding work 280 00:14:26,710 --> 00:14:23,519 thank you for for for doing what you did 281 00:14:30,389 --> 00:14:26,720 and and keeping the american people um 282 00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:30,399 you know the focus of of of your job um 283 00:14:33,590 --> 00:14:31,360 this 284 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:33,600 never in the history of of the topic of 285 00:14:38,069 --> 00:14:36,720 uaps um have we got to this milestone 286 00:14:39,910 --> 00:14:38,079 and and that was just achieved and by 287 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:39,920 the way i think it's a step step in the 288 00:14:43,829 --> 00:14:42,000 right direction for transparency um i 289 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:43,839 think i think the result of what just 290 00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:46,800 happened will result in a trickling down 291 00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:48,560 of information to the public where it 292 00:14:52,389 --> 00:14:50,399 belongs so when people say i want to see 293 00:14:54,470 --> 00:14:52,399 another video or i want to see 294 00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:54,480 a significant step was taken a couple 295 00:14:58,389 --> 00:14:57,120 days ago towards that direction so again 296 00:15:00,629 --> 00:14:58,399 just want to say 297 00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:00,639 um congratulations to the to the folks 298 00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:02,959 men and women at the dni and everybody 299 00:15:05,829 --> 00:15:04,240 else who's been working so hard and 300 00:15:07,430 --> 00:15:05,839 tirelessly on this and has been taking 301 00:15:10,069 --> 00:15:07,440 this topic seriously 302 00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:10,079 and a big congratulations to our to our 303 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:12,800 our nim aviation um the general so thank 304 00:15:15,829 --> 00:15:14,880 you very much for for for doing what you 305 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:15,839 did 306 00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:17,600 that's great i mean it's it's been an 307 00:15:19,990 --> 00:15:19,040 amazing four years i know a lot of 308 00:15:21,430 --> 00:15:20,000 people get 309 00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:21,440 they think that we're not moving but 310 00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:23,600 it's like i've been at this since 96 and 311 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:26,079 it's like the last four years have been 312 00:15:29,749 --> 00:15:28,480 amazing the last couple of weeks 313 00:15:30,790 --> 00:15:29,759 there are times when i can't even keep 314 00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,800 up so 315 00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:32,240 thank you for doing what you're doing i 316 00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:33,519 know and what christopher mellon and 317 00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:36,079 eric davis and hal put off and eric and 318 00:15:41,269 --> 00:15:39,759 and kit green and help and gary nolan i 319 00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:41,279 don't want to forget anybody but yeah 320 00:15:44,629 --> 00:15:42,959 yeah they're they're great human beings 321 00:15:45,829 --> 00:15:44,639 you're right you know i feel you know i 322 00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:45,839 always tell people i'm literally 323 00:15:49,590 --> 00:15:48,240 standing on the shoulders of giants um 324 00:15:51,829 --> 00:15:49,600 and you're right there's others you know 325 00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:51,839 i think i think chris mellon is right 326 00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:53,600 there at the top and gary nolan and hal 327 00:15:57,350 --> 00:15:55,519 pudov kit green 328 00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:57,360 these individuals have done done so much 329 00:16:01,030 --> 00:15:59,120 for their country a lot of it behind the 330 00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:01,040 scenes that maybe maybe 331 00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:02,560 most average americans will never find 332 00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:04,160 out but i can tell you that i was there 333 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:05,600 and i've seen it eric davis the same 334 00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:09,440 thing um truly just just incredibly 335 00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:11,440 incredibly competent human beings and 336 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:14,639 and their patriotism is unwavering um 337 00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:16,720 and there's a bunch of others uh my hope 338 00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:18,639 is very soon here to bring out some 339 00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:20,000 individuals that maybe you're not aware 340 00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:21,920 of or maybe you've heard whispers about 341 00:16:25,990 --> 00:16:24,000 um my hope is to i'm working very hard 342 00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:26,000 to bring them out of the shadows uh in a 343 00:16:30,389 --> 00:16:28,079 very meaningful way and so we can expand 344 00:16:32,470 --> 00:16:30,399 this conversation open up the aperture 345 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,480 and and you know you guys can ask some 346 00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:34,240 more questions to some of these folks 347 00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:35,920 that had very key roles and 348 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:37,360 responsibilities 349 00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:40,240 in this topic for the us government 350 00:16:44,389 --> 00:16:41,839 and i know you've spoken about eric 351 00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:44,399 before um i think you've pretty much 352 00:16:48,389 --> 00:16:47,120 said this but he has there's emails out 353 00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:48,399 there there are emails out there and 354 00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:50,160 christopher mellon was on cnn saying he 355 00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:52,639 was with eric davis on capitol hill when 356 00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:54,560 he gave briefings can you just confirm 357 00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:56,320 eric did give briefings on this subject 358 00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:57,759 oh yeah 359 00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:02,629 uh i i'm gonna be very careful to say 360 00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:03,839 who because i want to give them the 361 00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:06,319 opportunity to answer for themselves uh 362 00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:09,280 but that was indeed true um you know 363 00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:11,120 chris and i are on the hill a lot and 364 00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:13,120 and we bring people up there um that's 365 00:17:16,390 --> 00:17:14,480 part of the the 366 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:16,400 engagement strategy you know at some 367 00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:18,880 point we we we decided to be open kimono 368 00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:20,400 about our strategy 369 00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:22,400 and legislative engagement is is right 370 00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:25,199 there um you know because these people 371 00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:26,400 make the laws look at the gillibrand 372 00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,919 amendment that became law right this 373 00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:29,280 historic moment 374 00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,720 in u.s history where we're actually 375 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:33,039 taking this topic seriously um 376 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,720 that only happened because you had 377 00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:36,240 really good people working behind the 378 00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:39,200 scenes engaging good lawmakers 379 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:41,280 uh and their staff and eric is no 380 00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,280 exception uh and there's others that 381 00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,880 maybe haven't come out public yet that 382 00:17:47,909 --> 00:17:46,799 that have been up there but you know on 383 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:47,919 the other side of the coin we also have 384 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:50,080 to congratulate the staff uh of these 385 00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:51,760 these members of congress whether it's 386 00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:53,600 on the house or the senate side 387 00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:55,520 because they are you know people think 388 00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:57,520 that a congress person is you know the 389 00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:59,679 end-all be-all but it's not it's it's 390 00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,280 kind of like um like a president you 391 00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:02,960 have a whole staff underneath that's 392 00:18:06,950 --> 00:18:04,960 supporting that individual to help make 393 00:18:08,549 --> 00:18:06,960 informed decisions and the same is true 394 00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:08,559 with with members of congress they have 395 00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:10,720 chiefs of staff and they have uh you 396 00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:12,559 know national security advisers and 397 00:18:15,750 --> 00:18:13,679 whatnot 398 00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:15,760 that are all there to help advise them 399 00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:18,400 when when creating or voting on laws and 400 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:20,400 these people have done a tremendous job 401 00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:21,840 they have done a tremendous amount of 402 00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,360 work and it's not like senator 403 00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:25,200 gillibrand sits there and writes every 404 00:18:29,350 --> 00:18:26,960 single word to the law she has people 405 00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:29,360 helping draft the language and make sure 406 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:30,880 it's legal right that she doesn't you 407 00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:33,440 know cross any wires between executive 408 00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:34,640 branch and legislative branch and 409 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:36,400 whatnot so 410 00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:38,160 so it's been a tremendous effort and 411 00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:39,679 eric has certainly been a critical piece 412 00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:42,880 to that um i am not going to to 413 00:18:47,029 --> 00:18:45,120 provide any details what what he has 414 00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:47,039 said uh for the record because that's 415 00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:49,120 for him to tell you if he wants to 416 00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,320 uh but i will tell you it was 417 00:18:54,950 --> 00:18:52,480 significant and it helped move the ball 418 00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,960 forward in this topic for sure there is 419 00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:56,559 no question about it 420 00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:58,160 here's a question i get about eric all 421 00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:59,600 the time because 422 00:19:02,230 --> 00:19:01,039 he has been pretty open when he was 423 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,240 doing interviews 424 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:04,480 he's basically he's like there is there 425 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:06,640 is a crash retrieval program 426 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,240 um and he talks that's as far as he'll 427 00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:10,480 go um he says the world's superpowers 428 00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:12,000 have had their own share of crashes and 429 00:19:15,350 --> 00:19:13,840 then hal put off has said 430 00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:15,360 reluctantly he's like yeah there have 431 00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:17,360 been crashes and then you're more more 432 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:19,679 careful so people are like why can eric 433 00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:22,480 talk about that and and lou cannot and i 434 00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,080 really i don't have an answer for that 435 00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,240 maybe you can explain yeah well i i 436 00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,000 can't i i'm not going to speak for eric 437 00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,400 as i've said before uh i'm just not or 438 00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:32,400 hal or anybody else i can only tell you 439 00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:34,080 what i've what i've been told 440 00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:35,200 um 441 00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,559 for me i i i let me make this as clear 442 00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:40,799 as i possibly can 443 00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:43,120 i am not at liberty to discuss 444 00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:46,080 any details involving um 445 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,120 the topic you just mentioned um i i 446 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,360 i have said for the record i've gone up 447 00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:53,200 to the line of what i could say 448 00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:56,240 and uh i i at this time i am not at 449 00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,480 liberty to to provide any more details 450 00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,559 on it not that i don't want to 451 00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:02,960 i i cannot um 452 00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:04,960 hopefully that will change over time 453 00:20:08,310 --> 00:20:06,480 but that decision is not up to me right 454 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,320 now 455 00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:10,320 i want to go back to uh the last episode 456 00:20:13,430 --> 00:20:12,320 of unidentified 457 00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,440 because 458 00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:15,600 i have been accused of being a 459 00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,000 lazando apologist a ttsa fanboy and 460 00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,760 that's not true i've disagreed with you 461 00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:23,840 along the way i mean overall i love what 462 00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:25,120 you guys do 463 00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:26,640 i've seen it 464 00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:28,000 no you've asked good questions and 465 00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,520 you've you've you've challenged the 466 00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,840 system i've i've i'm absolutely i can i 467 00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,440 can i can attest to that i've seen 468 00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,360 things where you you're in my position 469 00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:37,120 may not necessarily be congruent we may 470 00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:38,960 not necessarily agree but i think your 471 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,520 approach is is is is right on the money 472 00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:43,919 i i really respect your approach well 473 00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,679 thank you um the one thing i disagreed 474 00:20:48,710 --> 00:20:47,120 with was the last episode of 475 00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,720 unidentified you said you had personal 476 00:20:52,310 --> 00:20:50,559 friends who had abduction well you said 477 00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:52,320 amazing stories to tell but it was about 478 00:20:56,789 --> 00:20:55,360 abductions encounters with uh non-human 479 00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,799 beings and you said 480 00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:58,559 i believe they they believe what they're 481 00:21:01,430 --> 00:21:00,320 telling me but you could be absolutely 482 00:21:03,590 --> 00:21:01,440 sure of something and still be 483 00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:03,600 absolutely wrong in that particular 484 00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,720 episode they had i forget her name susan 485 00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,919 she was a 486 00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,760 she had written a book about abductions 487 00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,760 where it was basically sure 488 00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,880 basically she said it was sleep 489 00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,200 paralysis and it was hypnosis they were 490 00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:17,200 leading the witnesses and 491 00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,880 robert hastings who you interviewed he 492 00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:21,200 was not happy with that episode i mean i 493 00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,880 understand there was ev there was 494 00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,320 evidence that was left out there were 495 00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:26,080 other witnesses that were corroborating 496 00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:27,520 some information he's like i don't know 497 00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,230 i didn't have creative authority 498 00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,320 on the show again i'm not i'm not a 499 00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,000 executive producer 500 00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,919 and he didn't say that he said i know 501 00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,080 this is producers this is not lou yeah 502 00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,640 no um look but but you do have to 503 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:46,799 provide a counter argument um in order 504 00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:48,320 to provide that one of the things the 505 00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,840 agreements that we had chris and i when 506 00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,840 we decided to get into the show 507 00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,120 was very simple first of all it's going 508 00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,039 to be short term uh we're not looking at 509 00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,280 just creating uh material for the sake 510 00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,440 of having a show that lasts forever um 511 00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:01,360 that's that's not what this is about uh 512 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,640 get it done 513 00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,960 uh part of our public engagement piece 514 00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,400 and secondly that we're always gonna 515 00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,400 provide counter arguments so the 516 00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,000 audience can make up their own decision 517 00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:11,600 this wasn't hey what does lou and chris 518 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,559 think 519 00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,320 this wasn't about that this journey on 520 00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,320 unidentified was hey let's let's go out 521 00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,400 and find from the people what what their 522 00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,120 experiences are and then provide both 523 00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:23,280 the arguments for the arguments against 524 00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,559 and unfortunately because you are 525 00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,159 compressed i think it's either 43 526 00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,760 minutes per episode you know with 527 00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:30,000 commercials of 148 minutes 528 00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,240 um a lot of the stuff gets cut and and 529 00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,080 stays on the on the floor the editing 530 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,760 floor and it's a shame because there's 531 00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,840 there's i'll tell you there's there's so 532 00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:39,520 much information that never made it into 533 00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,480 the series that is so compelling i mean 534 00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,080 it is and this is honestly one of the 535 00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,320 reasons why i'm engaged now and and 536 00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:48,799 looking at very seriously doing 537 00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,600 a a perhaps the definitive documentary 538 00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:53,360 on this topic because 539 00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,880 in this particular case i will have the 540 00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:57,200 ability to ask questions that i couldn't 541 00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,120 before and i don't i'm not going to be 542 00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,840 subject to a 43 or 48 minute time limit 543 00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,159 look history channel did really good it 544 00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:06,080 for the first time introducing this 545 00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:09,200 topic in a way that wasn't um you know 546 00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,640 woo-woo right and not that there's 547 00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,480 anything wrong with that but but 548 00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:13,760 really this was a little bit different 549 00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,480 than most ufo shows and it succeeded i 550 00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:18,000 think for what we were trying to achieve 551 00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,400 it was certainly mission success 552 00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,799 but is there a lot more that can now be 553 00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,400 discussed i mean well a lot's happened 554 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:26,799 since the last ep that's the last last 555 00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:28,000 season right 556 00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,240 so we have a law that came out we have a 557 00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:32,159 180 day report we now have annual 558 00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,520 reports coming out we have more and more 559 00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:35,840 people coming out from directors of cia 560 00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,760 directors of national intelligence right 561 00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,919 former presidents we didn't have that 562 00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,080 when we were doing the show 563 00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,000 that's all out now and there are people 564 00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:45,679 a lot of people coming out of the out of 565 00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:49,120 the woodwork now um sharing information 566 00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:51,360 so you know this is this is one of the 567 00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,720 reasons why i think the public 568 00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,960 engagement is so important um let's have 569 00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,240 that conversation with the american 570 00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,320 people and and you know maybe maybe the 571 00:24:01,110 --> 00:24:00,000 time is right to to 572 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,120 to continue that part of the 573 00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:06,230 it's it's for me it's just an amazing 574 00:24:09,269 --> 00:24:07,679 time um 575 00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,279 and i i by the way for the record i 576 00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,200 didn't agree with necessarily with with 577 00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,200 her assessment i i'm not sure i agree 578 00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,200 with the whole sleep paralysis thing you 579 00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:17,679 know um but but you have to provide a 580 00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:20,320 counter argument um because you can't 581 00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,919 you don't want to leave the witness 582 00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:23,440 you you want to you know you want to 583 00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,440 allow 584 00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:27,440 everybody to have a voice but for the 585 00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:28,400 record 586 00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:31,360 i'm not um i'm not a big 587 00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:33,360 a big subscriber to the whole sleep 588 00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:37,679 paralysis thing i i'm just not right 589 00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,039 i um 590 00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,039 well that and i work in television and 591 00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,120 the show was very well done so 592 00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:45,679 i i enjoyed that aspect of it the other 593 00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,799 day 594 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,640 this caused a lot of it hasn't really i 595 00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:50,000 don't know if people have heard this yet 596 00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,960 and it's going to take me a little while 597 00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:52,880 to read it but jacques valet had given a 598 00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,000 lecture 599 00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:56,000 at the archives of the unknown at rice 600 00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,679 university and he said 601 00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,679 he goes and i know you you and jim some 602 00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:01,120 event have said we don't do testing on 603 00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,000 our own people anymore you know we have 604 00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,080 tuskegee in our history and mk ultra we 605 00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,240 don't do that anymore valet said and i'm 606 00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,600 going to quote valet it's a little bit 607 00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:11,440 long he goes anyone going through the 608 00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:13,919 rice archives in search of info about 609 00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,240 ufos should in my estimation keep in 610 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,120 mind that any cases dated after 75 and 611 00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:21,760 certainly after 1985 must first be 612 00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,000 analyzed as potential fakes not 613 00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,159 necessarily hoaxes mind you but products 614 00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,240 of classified projects of which there 615 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,799 were hundreds they play on human 616 00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,640 expectations of things in the sky in 617 00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,640 order to hide or simply disguise new 618 00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,960 experiments with secret platforms this 619 00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,360 is true for aircraft for the types whose 620 00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,039 capabilities shapes and material 621 00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,520 composition must legitimately remain 622 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,000 secret but it also applies to biological 623 00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,200 experiments tests of remote paralysis 624 00:25:54,310 --> 00:25:51,360 special drugs and psychic manipulation 625 00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,320 in projects reminiscing of the old mk 626 00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,720 ultra ultra in such an environment some 627 00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,960 cancelled projects never really die this 628 00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:00,960 is obviously a challenge to researchers 629 00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,159 like me like us and to any ufologist it 630 00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:06,000 is even more a challenge to researchers 631 00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,600 from the military and the intelligence 632 00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,279 community because in spite of their 633 00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,960 special status 634 00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,240 even they might not have the right 635 00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,159 clearances or access to the right data 636 00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,159 set data set in the programs which 637 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,960 acronyms they don't even know once a 638 00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,880 project goes dark duplication runs 639 00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,120 rampant and oversight becomes a tangled 640 00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,919 up as tangled up as a game of scrabble 641 00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:28,159 so what do you think about that 642 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:29,520 well there's a lot to impact there isn't 643 00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,080 there um let me give you a real life 644 00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,600 anecdote there was once an organization 645 00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:35,120 called sifo the counterintelligence 646 00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:36,840 field activity 647 00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,679 um it wound up being disestablished this 648 00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,679 was a huge organization multi many many 649 00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:43,760 many many millions of dollars that were 650 00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,520 allocated to this organization and its 651 00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:48,000 mission was was good the problem is that 652 00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,679 during the course of its operation it 653 00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,279 had one 654 00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,919 one report of a u.s person's information 655 00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:54,960 in there 656 00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,039 uh in a database an intelligence 657 00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,039 database that didn't belong and there is 658 00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:01,840 something called dod director 5240 where 659 00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,159 you have to be very cognizant of the 660 00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:06,000 collection retention analysis and 661 00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,559 dissemination of u.s persons information 662 00:27:11,830 --> 00:27:09,679 in essence 663 00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,840 u.s citizens information 664 00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,320 um it it created a situation where they 665 00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:16,240 had to disestablish the entire agency 666 00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,520 because of that 667 00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,679 so so 668 00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,279 if there are people running rogue 669 00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:23,919 operations then then or or what we would 670 00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,120 consider 671 00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:27,039 extra constitutional activities that's a 672 00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:29,840 problem um i i will be the first one to 673 00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:31,919 if i were to ever find that out call 674 00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,159 them out on it and hold them accountable 675 00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,080 we just simply don't do that and we 676 00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,399 shouldn't do it we have in the past 677 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,919 hopefully we've we've paid for those 678 00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,240 sins and have learned our lessons 679 00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:43,840 um i can tell you personally i've never 680 00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,679 been privy to anything like that now 681 00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,760 that's u.s persons right i'm not going 682 00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:49,440 to say that there hasn't been experiment 683 00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,399 on non-lethal technology 684 00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,320 that has been used and looked at by the 685 00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,679 intelligence community department of 686 00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:57,840 defense darpa 687 00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,520 you know there's technologies all the 688 00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,039 time we know that there's for example 689 00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:03,679 sonic technology that we can deploy in a 690 00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,440 civil situation 691 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,640 to create confusion and to create some 692 00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:11,520 sort of disorientation amongst a a crowd 693 00:28:16,149 --> 00:28:14,080 of people it is a non-lethal means in 694 00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:16,159 fact if you were to talk to colonel john 695 00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,600 alexander he'll tell you there's a long 696 00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,880 history of that 697 00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,720 that type of research being done but you 698 00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,039 don't just sit there and deploy it on on 699 00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,159 hapless civilians um there is a process 700 00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:28,240 and approval process that occurs and you 701 00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:32,320 you use volunteers um to do that um and 702 00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:35,840 so again i i am not aware of any any 703 00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,480 experimentation on on on 704 00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:40,799 human beings without their consent as 705 00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,240 u.s persons and from us u.s citizens um 706 00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,840 and if i were to ever find that out to 707 00:28:49,110 --> 00:28:47,679 be the first one to call it out i i 708 00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,120 think it's abhorrent 709 00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:51,279 and i think it's um it's it's against 710 00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:53,039 the very fabric of our of our of our 711 00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,640 nation and what we stand for as a people 712 00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,960 okay thanks for that lou um 713 00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,720 and when you were interviewed by richard 714 00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,320 dolan you said that a close colleague of 715 00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,080 yours encountered a 716 00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,080 men in blacklight group where the ufo 717 00:29:10,389 --> 00:29:08,480 information and data was confiscated and 718 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:10,399 some intimidation took place according 719 00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:11,760 to your colleague uh and then 720 00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,279 skinwalkers in the pentagon they talked 721 00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:14,960 about a kentucky town where they had a 722 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:17,360 sighting the whole town saw it they were 723 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,120 told to shut up and it seemed seemingly 724 00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,640 they were bribed by the whole town was 725 00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:22,640 elect was given to elect electricity 726 00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,960 later on this was in the 90s uh there's 727 00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,880 a case in georgia in skinwalkers at the 728 00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:28,399 pentagon where a man was hit by a light 729 00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,080 from a triangle 730 00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,000 next day he had low flying helicopters 731 00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:33,919 visited by two men and black type guys 732 00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,720 who brandished guns he felt intimidated 733 00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,159 told him not to talk about it and they 734 00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,240 traced the license plate back to dhs 735 00:29:43,669 --> 00:29:42,320 department of homeland security do you 736 00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,679 do you think all of that is from the 737 00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:45,279 same group that your colleague 738 00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,880 encountered some some group that's 739 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,399 operating in the black do you know 740 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,080 anything about that well i mean i don't 741 00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,760 know but i operated in the black i mean 742 00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,039 what does that mean i think a lot of 743 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,360 people we tend to assume things and and 744 00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,960 you know is are there a core group of 745 00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:58,880 people that are trying to to keep this 746 00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,080 topic 747 00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:02,080 very close holding to themselves i mean 748 00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,520 that yeah that 749 00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:05,520 was probably probably the case but are 750 00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:07,039 they going out and intimidating people 751 00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:08,399 well i'll tell you what they better be 752 00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,919 careful because you try to intimidate 753 00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,520 the wrong person and and you're gonna 754 00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,520 have a hell of a lot of problems um 755 00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,960 there's a lot of people out there right 756 00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:17,039 now that don't take intimidation lightly 757 00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:19,120 at least people that i work with um you 758 00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:20,559 know that would be the last thing you'd 759 00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:22,000 want to do is show up arm to someone's 760 00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:23,039 doorstep 761 00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,000 who's highly trained in 762 00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,159 counter-terrorism operations and kinetic 763 00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:28,240 operations um i wouldn't advise that and 764 00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,520 i don't care how black you might think 765 00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:31,039 you are there's going to be someone out 766 00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,399 there that can outgun you and i'll shoot 767 00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:34,960 you and will so um 768 00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,799 you know i i have not personally now i 769 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,720 have seen intimidation tactics but done 770 00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,760 more like through what we call 771 00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,440 administrative terrorism where they try 772 00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:43,039 to they try to get you on a security 773 00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,320 violation they try to take away your 774 00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,880 security clearance um they might make 775 00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:49,279 false accusations about your your your 776 00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:50,559 professional performance have a 777 00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,880 colleague of mine now who they try to go 778 00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:55,200 after pretty substantially unfortunately 779 00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:56,240 um 780 00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,240 we were able to to thwart it off with a 781 00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:00,720 combination of legal assistance and and 782 00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,640 some some maneuvering and calling the 783 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,080 right people to say hey you know what 784 00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,240 the hell are you doing you ap related or 785 00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:08,480 something else no uap related for sure 786 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,240 yeah uap related yeah and so so um 787 00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:14,720 but you know it's it's it's it's in some 788 00:31:19,509 --> 00:31:16,480 cases to be expected that you know 789 00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,519 intimidation is is a way to get people 790 00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:21,039 either to do something or not to do 791 00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,000 something 792 00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:23,760 um and you know there's some people that 793 00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:25,120 you can intimidate and then there's 794 00:31:28,630 --> 00:31:26,480 people that you definitely don't want to 795 00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,640 intimidate um because they will they 796 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:29,760 will 797 00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,360 and a lot of my colleagues are those 798 00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,880 type of people 799 00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:37,120 so i i have not personally experienced 800 00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:39,039 anybody showing up to my door 801 00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,640 i will tell you that if someone showed 802 00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,799 up to my door with a document saying hey 803 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:44,399 louie wants you to back off because you 804 00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,760 were you were stepping on national 805 00:31:49,269 --> 00:31:47,519 security toes 806 00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,279 i'm a patriot i would do it no one's 807 00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,039 ever done that you show up to my door 808 00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,880 with a gun then 809 00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,720 i you know i hope you have life 810 00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:56,559 insurance policy because it probably 811 00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,669 speaking of on being in the black any 812 00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:03,600 opinions about military abductions 813 00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:05,519 because there are people i know who i 814 00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,720 like who claim to have my labs um any 815 00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:11,360 information any opinion on that 816 00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:12,559 on the uh 817 00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,640 the uh 818 00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,840 yeah my labs where they have an 819 00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,679 abduction where it's military and 820 00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:20,320 non-humans are involved a lot um i i i 821 00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,360 do 822 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:22,960 you know i could see something like that 823 00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:25,760 happening maybe you know in 824 00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,480 in the 60s or possibly you know 50 60s 825 00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,399 and 70s or in the height of the cold war 826 00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,159 i can't imagine that case that being the 827 00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,399 case now um you know it's 828 00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,480 it's easy to throw in a uniform i guess 829 00:32:39,669 --> 00:32:37,919 and pretend that you're somebody that 830 00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,679 you're not 831 00:32:43,830 --> 00:32:41,039 but 832 00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,840 i i don't know of any rational military 833 00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:46,000 officer or enlisted member who would 834 00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,200 willingly 835 00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,679 kidnap an american citizen 836 00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,840 and then assault them right because if i 837 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:54,000 touch you if i take you away against 838 00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,440 your free will that's that's that's 839 00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,519 felony that's called kidnapping and then 840 00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:59,519 if i touch you without your consent well 841 00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,880 that's called assault right and 842 00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,240 depending how much i touch you it could 843 00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,720 be go escalate from there i don't i'm 844 00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,480 not aware of any any government 845 00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:08,080 officials that would willfully do that 846 00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,120 on american citizens um you know and if 847 00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:13,440 if that has occurred then then there's a 848 00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:16,159 problem there um i'm not sure there's 849 00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,080 enough information to substantiate the 850 00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,320 whole notion of mill labs um you know i 851 00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,640 think we're just now coming to the terms 852 00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,720 of the reality of uap right we just now 853 00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:26,080 got the point as a country where we know 854 00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,519 that they're real uh all this other 855 00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,600 stuff is you know we we've got a lot 856 00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:31,039 more homework to do i think before we 857 00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:32,399 can go down that road 858 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,600 okay 859 00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:35,440 one question i i know you've answered 860 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,799 this but i didn't i didn't like your 861 00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,960 answer it wasn't i want to know more so 862 00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:40,960 when you're you're in atip or awesome 863 00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,399 when you first got there 864 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:44,080 how did you react when you realized some 865 00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:45,600 of the craft you were seeing were 866 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,399 probably not ours and probably maybe 867 00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,880 belong to something anomalous i mean did 868 00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:52,159 you want to run home and tell your wife 869 00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,960 it's like you're not going to believe 870 00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,480 what i just saw oh my god because she 871 00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,159 said you never really looked into ufos 872 00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:59,519 before no i mean my my wife and i have a 873 00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:00,880 we've been married like i said we've 874 00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,679 been together damn near 30 years um i've 875 00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:05,440 actually been with my wife longer than 876 00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:07,600 i've been alone 877 00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,679 and so we have a very very close very 878 00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,760 special relationship 879 00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,280 if anybody wants to know for the record 880 00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:14,960 who doesn't think i'm married i was 881 00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:17,280 married in arapahoe county 882 00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,520 so you can dig files there i was not 883 00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,960 married in florida so 884 00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:22,720 um you're probably wasting wasting your 885 00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,119 time trying to dig up that information 886 00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,760 um so check arapahoe county and you'll 887 00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,679 find it um 888 00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,960 so we have a very special relationship 889 00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:32,000 she also knows there's things that i 890 00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,240 can't talk about and i won't um i won't 891 00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,079 violate my non-disclosure agreement with 892 00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,079 uh with the american people and i i 893 00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,639 won't do it with my wife um you know not 894 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,639 that i don't trust her i trust her with 895 00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,159 with every 896 00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,440 ounce of of fabric of my existence 897 00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:49,599 but again i took an oath right and and 898 00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,440 she doesn't ask me and i don't i don't 899 00:34:55,109 --> 00:34:53,280 tell her um 900 00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:55,119 once i got out of the u.s government 901 00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,560 then i was able to be a little bit more 902 00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:58,640 forthcoming and she you know she knew 903 00:35:01,030 --> 00:35:00,160 what i was what i was dealing with she 904 00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,040 also 905 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,640 realized i was dealing with things 906 00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,880 interestingly enough early on 907 00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,560 um because we have some very strange 908 00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,800 occurrences and so you know i don't want 909 00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,720 to go into that too much but 910 00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,240 it's not uncommon if you find somebody 911 00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,079 who was ever part of the asap or even 912 00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:16,800 a-tip program that you know think 913 00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,880 thinking a little strange sometimes 914 00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:19,920 so 915 00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,280 um 916 00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,960 i guess you know to answer your question 917 00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:24,320 bluntly have i ever told my wife 918 00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,560 something that i shouldn't no 919 00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,480 but have i been as forthcoming as i 920 00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,160 possibly can yes my wife knows 921 00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:32,079 everything you know um and and the 922 00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,359 general public 923 00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,760 um because more about how you reacted 924 00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,359 though how did how did you react when 925 00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:38,880 you finally realized you're seeing 926 00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,119 videos oh i see you're saying yeah i 927 00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,960 guess i was focusing on did you go home 928 00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:45,119 and tell your wife hey guess what yeah 929 00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:46,240 um 930 00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,359 i i wasn't particularly surprised simply 931 00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:53,680 because of my scientific background um 932 00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:55,599 you know i always recognize that life is 933 00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,720 abundant 934 00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,040 just on this planet alone um 935 00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,280 so who's to say it's not in the universe 936 00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,200 right in fact statistically it there's a 937 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:04,800 more likely chance that it is it is 938 00:36:08,550 --> 00:36:07,680 pervasive in the universe than it is not 939 00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,560 um 940 00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:10,320 and with my background most of my 941 00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,680 background was was focused on 942 00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:14,160 counter-terrorism counter-espionage 943 00:36:18,150 --> 00:36:15,760 counterinsurgency 944 00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,160 so i was always used to dealing with 945 00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,000 surprises and intelligence you know a 946 00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:22,079 lot of most what i guess the 947 00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:23,520 interesting thing about his intelligence 948 00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,119 is you're not really ever truly 949 00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:27,839 surprised um that is the job of 950 00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,640 intelligence is to peel away the obvious 951 00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,200 and then look at what's real um 952 00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,280 and so i've had that occurred in my my 953 00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:37,760 life so many times that it was just kind 954 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:38,800 of a 955 00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:41,680 wow okay um you know here we have the 956 00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,599 confirmation that we're looking for that 957 00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,079 is it is real again now of course the 958 00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,760 hard part comes in well 959 00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,599 what is it what is it where is it from 960 00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:51,440 how does it work who's behind the wheel 961 00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:52,640 what are the intentions right what are 962 00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:55,760 the capabilities um so rather than 963 00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:57,440 focusing on the 964 00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:01,040 aha moment whoa here we are it's real um 965 00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,520 you know it now comes the hard part okay 966 00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:05,359 now let's focus on the other 967 00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,119 interrogatives that are hopefully going 968 00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,520 to be even more important to us than 969 00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,280 just the the acknowledgement that it's 970 00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,720 real 971 00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,240 and i think you may have just touched on 972 00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,520 it so i'm going to ask you've been 973 00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,280 around the subject a lot 974 00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:18,880 have you had any 975 00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:21,200 hitchhiker-like experiences taking stuff 976 00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,040 taking stuff home with you poultry guys 977 00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:25,119 like activity anything like that 978 00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:28,240 so i'm i'm in the process of of of 979 00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:31,599 writing a uh a very comprehensive book 980 00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:35,359 and um i'm hoping to to address a lot of 981 00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:36,800 things 982 00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:39,680 for the record once and once and 983 00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:41,440 finally 984 00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,119 i'd rather not get into that 985 00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,760 conversation right now 986 00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:47,520 there is some subjectivity obviously 987 00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:48,560 whenever 988 00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,920 people talk about that that is a a part 989 00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:53,839 of the aw sap 990 00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:57,119 portfolio that a lot of people a vast 991 00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:58,720 majority of people had experienced what 992 00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,760 you referred to as a hitchhiker 993 00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,520 event 994 00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,240 but it's very subjective um and it seems 995 00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,079 to be in some cases there seems to be 996 00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:10,240 some commonality with some of the part 997 00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,760 with some of the participants to us 998 00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:13,680 happen then in some cases it's very very 999 00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,520 unique it's based upon the individual 1000 00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,280 and they'll they'll have an experience 1001 00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,440 that's nobody else has had so 1002 00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:21,599 it's a mystery and it's a great question 1003 00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,640 uh but one that um you know i i think 1004 00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,560 there's other individuals i can probably 1005 00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,160 talk to you about that 1006 00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,400 that aspect of the portfolio may be a 1007 00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:32,480 little better than i can 1008 00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,520 all right i'm going to ask you a 1009 00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,200 question that you were asked in october 1010 00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,240 of 2020 a friend of mine aida she said 1011 00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,560 are we witnessing different facets of 1012 00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:42,480 one intelligence and you responded you 1013 00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,359 said 1014 00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,359 there's compelling data to suggest both 1015 00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,599 as crazy as it seems but we need an 1016 00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,520 entire podcast to talk about it so can 1017 00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:51,280 you expand on that your opinions on 1018 00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,359 whether it's one because i i go back and 1019 00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:55,359 forth is it one intelligence 1020 00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,960 that's mimicking and pretending to be 1021 00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:58,480 all these different things or is it 1022 00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,640 multiple intelligences that you know 1023 00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:02,400 we're dealing with 1024 00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:03,440 well do you want to spend the rest of 1025 00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:06,880 the podcasting about it we can uh 1026 00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,599 you know it's um 1027 00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,680 and i've said this before uh and and i 1028 00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:13,440 think i really think this is important 1029 00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,400 um 1030 00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,640 if you want to really 1031 00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,800 you really want to drill down and try to 1032 00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:20,320 figure out something that is potentially 1033 00:39:24,069 --> 00:39:21,520 non-human 1034 00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,079 terms 1035 00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,280 and that is really hard to do 1036 00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,760 we are we are 1037 00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:31,359 biological creatures that through 1038 00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,800 evolution think a certain way uh in fact 1039 00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,720 we even go to the point of attributing 1040 00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:39,280 other life forms on this planet 1041 00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:42,480 to a point where we give them human um 1042 00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,720 characteristics uh anthropomorphism 1043 00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,240 right where we we 1044 00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:47,920 we connect with other species let's say 1045 00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,160 a dog right and and i've got four of 1046 00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:52,240 them i love my dogs and yes i treat them 1047 00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,520 like human beings 1048 00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:55,040 are they human well 1049 00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,240 no but i treat them as human because i 1050 00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:59,760 consider them having some of the same 1051 00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,359 human attributes that i have and that 1052 00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:03,200 you have and everybody else has and 1053 00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,480 that's normal 1054 00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:06,000 in fact you can even see we do it with 1055 00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,680 automobiles how many people have a car 1056 00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:09,040 out there let's say a volkswagen or 1057 00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,240 something where they put little cute 1058 00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,319 eyes on it or maybe a little you know 1059 00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,400 ears or tail during christmas time 1060 00:40:18,109 --> 00:40:15,680 you'll see people put a little red nose 1061 00:40:20,710 --> 00:40:18,119 for like rudolph um that is the 1062 00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:20,720 anthropomorphic nature of of our species 1063 00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:23,359 and we do it subconsciously 1064 00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:27,599 we do it in virtually every aspect of 1065 00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,560 of our interaction with other life forms 1066 00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,160 yet when you're talking about something 1067 00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,800 that may not necessarily be from here 1068 00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:36,960 may think completely different 1069 00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:39,119 how it thinks and and the way it 1070 00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,920 interacts with with others like it 1071 00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:43,359 that's a challenge 1072 00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,480 seeing that we're at a point where let's 1073 00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,000 talk about for example artificial 1074 00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,520 intelligence 1075 00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:51,280 we are getting very close to the point 1076 00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:52,480 where 1077 00:41:02,870 --> 00:40:58,960 may eventually 1078 00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,880 self-awareness 1079 00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:04,880 and now by definition is that a life 1080 00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,359 form right something that works operates 1081 00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,319 instead of a a four digit uh genetic 1082 00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,640 sequence a g c t 1083 00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:14,000 um 1084 00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:15,920 maybe work off of two digits right ones 1085 00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,560 and zeros binary and yet it can think 1086 00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,319 and perhaps be conscious look there was 1087 00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:22,160 an experiment 1088 00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,000 not too long ago and i think it was with 1089 00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,240 uh with the department of navy in a 1090 00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:28,800 university where they took two computers 1091 00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,240 um that had never been been two art that 1092 00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:33,680 had artificial intelligence both of them 1093 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:34,720 separate 1094 00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,920 and they connected them for the very 1095 00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:37,839 first time and within about 30 minutes 1096 00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,520 they wind up having to unplug both 1097 00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,800 computers 1098 00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,720 and why is that well that's because both 1099 00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:44,400 computers started to talk to each other 1100 00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,520 in a language that we couldn't 1101 00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,359 understand 1102 00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,400 so 1103 00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,079 um 1104 00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,920 how do we how do we deal with that well 1105 00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,760 you know we created artificial 1106 00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:55,200 intelligence and we still don't 1107 00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,720 understand it let alone something that 1108 00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,720 perhaps may not be from this from here 1109 00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,119 may be truly existential 1110 00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,800 how do you how do you interact with 1111 00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,480 something like that are we even asking 1112 00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,560 the right questions right we say for 1113 00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,599 example 1114 00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,960 where are they from well it might not be 1115 00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,880 aware maybe it's a when right again i 1116 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:12,480 don't know don't read too much into that 1117 00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:13,520 because people are going to say well lou 1118 00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,119 says time travel i'm just what i'm 1119 00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:17,599 saying i'm simply using it as an example 1120 00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,839 we we may not even be asking the right 1121 00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,440 questions because from our paradigm 1122 00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,359 those are valid questions but for 1123 00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,960 something else that's super super 1124 00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,640 sophisticated 1125 00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:28,079 maybe it's not 1126 00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:29,359 and uh 1127 00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,119 therein lies the challenge and when 1128 00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:33,119 you're asking about multiple species or 1129 00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,359 a single species well again that's human 1130 00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,359 terms right you know 1131 00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,079 multiple uh cultures or multiple races 1132 00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:41,680 or a single race 1133 00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,119 um 1134 00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:44,960 that might not even be valid maybe these 1135 00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:47,520 things are are are 1136 00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,560 living in a paradigm that is so 1137 00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,880 foreign to us or you know dara say the 1138 00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,960 word alien to us 1139 00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,240 that we we 1140 00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,040 we don't even realize um we're asking 1141 00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,359 the wrong questions but but maybe we are 1142 00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:02,880 maybe they're from here maybe they're 1143 00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,079 just as as 1144 00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,640 as as natural to to the human world as 1145 00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,440 we are but they experience life and and 1146 00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:10,880 and reality a little bit differently 1147 00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:12,640 where time itself is a is a 1148 00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:15,839 three-dimensional space perhaps or that 1149 00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:18,560 um there are multiple 1150 00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,640 realities going on at any given time 1151 00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,800 there are some theories scientifically 1152 00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:25,280 that that have postulated that as well 1153 00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,400 and again i don't want to go too far 1154 00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,000 down the rabbit hole from a physics 1155 00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:29,760 perspective and science perspective 1156 00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:31,040 because i know probably you've got a lot 1157 00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,640 of questions but 1158 00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,200 but i guess my point being um when ida 1159 00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:37,040 asked asked me that question 1160 00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,640 is that there's there's 1161 00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,880 all are possible and yet there may also 1162 00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,400 be some options we haven't even yet 1163 00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,640 considered so is it one species yeah 1164 00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,480 could it be multiple species yeah could 1165 00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,160 it be one species with several 1166 00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,720 subspecies underneath yes could it be 1167 00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,240 that we're talking about an artificial 1168 00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:53,760 intelligence yes is it something that 1169 00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:57,040 where you could have a species at this 1170 00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:58,319 level and then you have these worker 1171 00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,040 species below yes is it i mean it goes 1172 00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:03,280 on and on and on and on is it us 1173 00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:04,160 you know 1174 00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:06,480 possibly uh from from from some other 1175 00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,079 place or time 1176 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:10,160 there there's there's a lot of 1177 00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,680 what-ifs 1178 00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:13,680 and we have very little detail right now 1179 00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,880 to to 1180 00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,040 to go on to give us anything so really 1181 00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:18,800 all as i said before all options have to 1182 00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,200 be on the table until they're not 1183 00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:23,680 and it seems to me just just looking at 1184 00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,319 people and just just made this this may 1185 00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,560 just be one aspect of it and you've 1186 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,000 you've touched on this before people are 1187 00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:31,680 getting injured it may not be 1188 00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,520 intentional it may just be whatever this 1189 00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,319 is is doing whatever it's doing and it 1190 00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,839 really doesn't really care about us that 1191 00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:39,200 much they're above us on the food chain 1192 00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,720 just like when we're driving out we kill 1193 00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,960 a deer on the road you know we feel bad 1194 00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:44,480 but we get on with the rest of our day 1195 00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:45,760 no big deal 1196 00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:47,040 right i mean look i'll give you a 1197 00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,160 perfect case in point you know i was 1198 00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:50,240 mowing the lawn um during the summer 1199 00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,359 here when you know i didn't have three 1200 00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,839 feet of snow on the lawn uh and i kicked 1201 00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,680 up a rock and that rock came out and 1202 00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,160 wound up ricocheting inside and wind up 1203 00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,240 hitting my cheek and had you know little 1204 00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,680 blood here and bruised for a little 1205 00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,880 while 1206 00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:04,720 was it intentional that that the 1207 00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:06,560 lawnmower kicked up a rock and injured 1208 00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,319 me no it's just a result of the 1209 00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:10,400 technology it just happens that that i 1210 00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:12,160 didn't wear the right protection and you 1211 00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,079 know i'm dealing with the technology in 1212 00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:16,720 this case a spinning 1213 00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,480 a blade spinning at high revolutions 1214 00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:20,640 that have a steel blade that kicked up a 1215 00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,839 rock and and threw it at me um random 1216 00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,119 that it just happened to bounce in the 1217 00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,520 right way and then hit me in the face 1218 00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,440 so you know i i think we need to be 1219 00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:31,760 careful by there's a difference between 1220 00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:34,800 threat a biological threat and hostile 1221 00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,200 intent and and we have to separate the 1222 00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,440 two because hostile intent isn't 1223 00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,920 necessarily the same as a threat as i've 1224 00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:43,200 said before 1225 00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,880 um i have to fly to california for 1226 00:45:49,589 --> 00:45:47,440 example um tomorrow and when i go to the 1227 00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,599 airport and i sit there and i'm gonna 1228 00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,359 have a cocktail or something or just get 1229 00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,200 on the plane there's no real threat by 1230 00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:56,079 that 737 but yet if i go outside and i 1231 00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,440 run on the tarmac and i put my head 1232 00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,800 behind the jet engine while it's you 1233 00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:01,280 know taxing well now it's a threat 1234 00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,400 there's i'm going to get burned i'm 1235 00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:04,319 probably going to lose my hearing 1236 00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,880 is it the jet's fault no it's just that 1237 00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:08,240 i happen to be you know at the wrong 1238 00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:10,000 place at the wrong time when certain 1239 00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,839 technology is being applied in a certain 1240 00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:13,119 way 1241 00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,560 is that what we're dealing with here 1242 00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:16,560 well there seems to be enough anecdotal 1243 00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:19,280 information to suggest yes that there is 1244 00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:20,640 a threat 1245 00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,000 whether there's hostile intent yet um 1246 00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,560 remains to be seen and i think we have 1247 00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:29,280 to you know pay attention now if people 1248 00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,480 we can substantiate that people are 1249 00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,160 actually being taken away from their own 1250 00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,920 their own free will then i'd say yeah 1251 00:46:37,030 --> 00:46:35,200 then we gotta this is a different 1252 00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,040 conversation then we've got to really 1253 00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:39,440 have have that conversation in earnest 1254 00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,800 um 1255 00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,040 so yeah there you have it what about any 1256 00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:45,920 evidence or anecdotes about that you're 1257 00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:48,079 aware of where the intelligence whatever 1258 00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,920 is here can influence human behavior 1259 00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:51,920 anything about that because the infamous 1260 00:46:57,990 --> 00:46:54,839 slide 9 kind of goes in that 1261 00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:58,000 direction yeah i mean look the russians 1262 00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,200 in the u.s 1263 00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:01,599 in the 60s were really really looking at 1264 00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,040 um non-kinetic ways to to affect human 1265 00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,440 behavior we have a in fact psychological 1266 00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,960 operations and something called i o 1267 00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:11,119 information operations where we are 1268 00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:13,040 trying to 1269 00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,839 create 1270 00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,079 an outcome through influence 1271 00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:18,000 now there's many ways to influence human 1272 00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:18,960 beings 1273 00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:22,000 you can do it uh verbally you can do it 1274 00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,119 emotionally 1275 00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,880 you can do it physically i mean there's 1276 00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,680 all sorts of ways 1277 00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,760 i do i think it's it's certainly 1278 00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:32,240 possible um let's let's take a real case 1279 00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,079 scenario um 1280 00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,760 we have nuclear 1281 00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:38,000 uh capabilities right we've got weapons 1282 00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:39,920 and propulsion and we have 1283 00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:42,880 military technology 1284 00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,480 when you fly a uap over controlled u.s 1285 00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:48,000 airspace 1286 00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,000 and despite throwing the very best at it 1287 00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,000 that we got we still can't keep up with 1288 00:47:55,829 --> 00:47:54,319 it we can't engage it and it just pops 1289 00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,839 out of existence 1290 00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,400 or appears to anyways 1291 00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,240 that is communicating potentially in 1292 00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,319 intent that look there is this 1293 00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:04,160 technology out there that far exceeds 1294 00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:05,440 yours and there's not a damn thing you 1295 00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:06,960 can do about it 1296 00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,480 we do it all the time when the russians 1297 00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,640 send a reconnaissance aircraft too close 1298 00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,000 to the united states what do we do we 1299 00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,880 scramble a couple f-16s or f-22s and 1300 00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:16,640 it's on the front page of cnn and fox 1301 00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,119 news right and we're not talking to them 1302 00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:20,720 but we're communicating an intent look 1303 00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:22,480 you come much further we will shoot you 1304 00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,800 down and vice versa they do it to us 1305 00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,559 so there's lots of ways to communicate 1306 00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,640 intent and capabilities and that's what 1307 00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,480 we're trying to figure out you know do i 1308 00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:31,920 we're having a conversation right now 1309 00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,839 but if i go like this to you i'm still 1310 00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,280 communicating something to you 1311 00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,040 communicating hello right 1312 00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,440 uh if i um 1313 00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,760 there's lots lots of ways to communicate 1314 00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,440 it doesn't have to be verbal we always 1315 00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:45,200 think that we'll sit down at a table 1316 00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,480 we're going to negotiate well yeah 1317 00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:48,559 that's human terms but i communicate 1318 00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:50,160 with my dog all the time my dogs 1319 00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:51,520 communicate with me when they're hungry 1320 00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:52,960 they're not sitting down saying hey pops 1321 00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,720 i'm hungry you know fill up the bowl 1322 00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,559 with food what they do is they whine 1323 00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,920 they pay so kind of look at the ball 1324 00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:59,359 maybe they'll kick it around with their 1325 00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,040 their foot you know they make no mistake 1326 00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,640 they're they're communicating loud and 1327 00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,720 clear their intent you know they want to 1328 00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:06,480 eat so and 1329 00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:08,559 and and i understand very clearly what 1330 00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:09,359 they're what they're trying to 1331 00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,480 communicate 1332 00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,880 so um you know let's we need to think in 1333 00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,400 terms of that as well what is 1334 00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,240 communication is light a form of 1335 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,920 communication well 1336 00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,920 we do we do it with fiber optic all the 1337 00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:20,720 time 1338 00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,920 um is is is 1339 00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:26,240 presence of communication yeah sure 1340 00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:27,599 again we do it all the time you can see 1341 00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,880 it on the front page of the news just 1342 00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:30,640 about every week or so 1343 00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:34,000 so that would be my my response 1344 00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:36,160 speaking you mentioned nuclear um and i 1345 00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,359 know you've talked about it and i don't 1346 00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,200 know if you can go any further about 1347 00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,119 baiting and learning ufos you mentioned 1348 00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:42,880 it on christina gomez's show the other 1349 00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:45,920 day how we you successfully did that in 1350 00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,400 atip and someone online mentioned it 1351 00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,640 related to neutrinos 1352 00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,280 and somebody i know a source said no 1353 00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,440 it's not neutrinos the way we attract 1354 00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,599 and coax uap has to do with nuclear 1355 00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,240 power nuclear weapon sites deployed 1356 00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,559 weapons weapons or nuclear fuel being 1357 00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:03,920 moved around 1358 00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,559 weapons being manufactured manufactured 1359 00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,119 nuclear fuel being manufactured and 1360 00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:12,000 manufacturing sites and that attracts 1361 00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,359 them so 1362 00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:14,720 what else i don't know what else you can 1363 00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,000 add but to me to me that sounds like ai 1364 00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:19,680 what it seems like it's reacting to 1365 00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,559 something automatically 1366 00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:24,480 your friend seems to be pretty well 1367 00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:27,680 informed um i i'm not going to expound 1368 00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:28,559 on 1369 00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:34,319 but yeah there seems to be a definitive 1370 00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:36,160 interest in our 1371 00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,079 nuclear technologies um 1372 00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:42,079 there's there's there's 1373 00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:45,119 probably a really good reason for it um 1374 00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,559 that was explored 1375 00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:49,200 uh to some degree in in atip 1376 00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:50,319 um 1377 00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,720 and i'm hoping to provide more fidelity 1378 00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,720 in the book that i write on some of the 1379 00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,200 theories and and mathematics 1380 00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:59,040 involved in that 1381 00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,079 you know what's really interesting i 1382 00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,240 said it kind of hints at ai maybe 1383 00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,839 reacting to that but 1384 00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:05,359 in the remote viewing program they were 1385 00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,559 remote viewers who were really good at 1386 00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,040 detecting nuclear targets it would they 1387 00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:13,280 would like glow when they would do their 1388 00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:15,119 remote viewing sessions it would glow 1389 00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,160 and they would say all right we have a 1390 00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,480 nuclear target let's put so and so on 1391 00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,400 that target so maybe maybe whatever 1392 00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,079 we're dealing with the so far advanced 1393 00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,480 on the psi level psychically it just 1394 00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,319 pops up for them i don't know yeah i 1395 00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,480 mean and and and there's other there's 1396 00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,079 other interesting theories in physics 1397 00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:32,640 too um 1398 00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,720 that you know that that's certainly one 1399 00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:36,079 potential case there's there's probably 1400 00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,520 about eight or nine different 1401 00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:39,440 alternatives theories that we we're 1402 00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,640 looking at 1403 00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:43,520 uh potentially to to explain that 1404 00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,559 there's a couple that are very 1405 00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:46,000 compelling there's enough information to 1406 00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:48,720 substantiate more than just a 1407 00:51:53,670 --> 00:51:51,119 uh you know an idea but more of a real 1408 00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,680 informed hypothesis um 1409 00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:55,119 you know ai is something that is 1410 00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,720 something we created and we have to be 1411 00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,079 careful when we 1412 00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,559 we attribute something else outside 1413 00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,119 excess potentially existential with ai 1414 00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:04,960 because again that's a manifestation of 1415 00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,440 mankind we we built it 1416 00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,920 so we understand it um we may be dealing 1417 00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,520 with something that is different than ai 1418 00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:13,839 maybe it is like ai maybe it is not like 1419 00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:15,119 ai 1420 00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:16,839 maybe it is something 1421 00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,599 fundamentally different and and again 1422 00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,599 this is a problem that we have 1423 00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,839 this is why i think creating a an 1424 00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,680 academic advisory board which i'm very 1425 00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:27,200 much involved with right now is going to 1426 00:52:32,309 --> 00:52:29,280 be very important because 1427 00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:32,319 ultimately to solve a non-human issue 1428 00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,480 you must first solve the human issue you 1429 00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:37,040 must first understand how we think 1430 00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,440 before you can possibly start start 1431 00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,960 trying to figure out how something else 1432 00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:42,319 thinks and we don't even know how we 1433 00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,119 think 1434 00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,880 we have entire professional careers 1435 00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,319 dedicated whether you're a psychologist 1436 00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:48,240 or psychiatrist or a sociologist or 1437 00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:49,599 philosopher 1438 00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,480 theologist uh theologian to to try to 1439 00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:54,000 figure out how how we think and we still 1440 00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:55,440 don't know how we think 1441 00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:56,240 so 1442 00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:00,400 how do we begin to to to figure out how 1443 00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,599 something else thinks and their intent 1444 00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,599 if we haven't yet even figured ourselves 1445 00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,040 out and so 1446 00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,440 there lies the humanistic issue so one 1447 00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,119 of the things we've done is is bringing 1448 00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:13,520 on board a uh a uh 1449 00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,440 a uh a human anthropologist a phd 1450 00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:20,160 who has looked over a long history of of 1451 00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,520 our species and 1452 00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:23,040 and 1453 00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,000 kind of 1454 00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,319 studied on on why we did what we did 1455 00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,079 when we did it and how we did it as a 1456 00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,319 species and what were the influences 1457 00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:32,319 external influences that 1458 00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:35,920 that brought us to make those decisions 1459 00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,079 was it purely environmental or was there 1460 00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:40,400 something else to it and so 1461 00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,680 these are all the things that have to be 1462 00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,119 explored and ultimately like i said 1463 00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,880 before why is this important well it's 1464 00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:47,200 not just purely academic at the end of 1465 00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,400 the day 1466 00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,559 you know if if if something lands on the 1467 00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:52,319 white house lawn tomorrow 1468 00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,599 the general is going to have to make a 1469 00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:56,160 decision do i shoot it or do i extend my 1470 00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,000 hand out in friendship 1471 00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:00,079 and in reality neither one may be the 1472 00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:03,200 right choice uh that's we think in terms 1473 00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,400 of that so so to to a you know a general 1474 00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:08,640 maybe that's that's a right question 1475 00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:10,880 but maybe it's not and so we have to 1476 00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,079 figure out ourselves first how we think 1477 00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,720 uh and then and then maybe 1478 00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:18,319 we can find somewhere there's some other 1479 00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,670 you're his you're you have 1480 00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,079 do you have a degree in parasitology or 1481 00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,920 is that just a 1482 00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,160 yeah so my degrees are microbiology 1483 00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,480 immunology and the the program i was in 1484 00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,960 was was parasitology so my research was 1485 00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,480 in malaria 1486 00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,040 uh five five-action ovulate and uh 1487 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,119 malaria and with some experience in 1488 00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,960 leash mine is both cutaneous and 1489 00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:44,079 visceral 1490 00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,710 and also um 1491 00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,119 [Music] 1492 00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:50,160 uh trypanosomiasis so which is uh 1493 00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,839 against the parasites right so so 1494 00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,839 looking how microorganisms get into the 1495 00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,000 body how they can evade the the natural 1496 00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:57,839 immune system and cause damage and then 1497 00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:01,119 what can what can the human system do to 1498 00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,319 fight against some of those you know a 1499 00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,480 lot of this is like like warfare really 1500 00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,640 uh it's it's really no different than 1501 00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:08,480 than the way we work as human beings at 1502 00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,480 the macro level a lot of these 1503 00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,480 microorganisms 1504 00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,119 basically do the same things we do um 1505 00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:17,599 you know cancer to some degree is 1506 00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,280 behaves a lot like human beings 1507 00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,680 so my question was going to be 1508 00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:25,200 is there any aspect of the phenomenon 1509 00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:27,040 with your history in parasitology that 1510 00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:29,200 that behaves like a parasite you know 1511 00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,799 there are cases with with poltergeist 1512 00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:32,799 cases where they act it seems 1513 00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,720 parasitical in in nature i don't know if 1514 00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,240 you've come across any of that maybe 1515 00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,880 that was more of an asap thing 1516 00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:40,400 well i mean let's look what is a 1517 00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:42,240 parasite a parasite is an organism that 1518 00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:44,240 takes more than it gives right it's a 1519 00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,480 non-symbiotic relationship 1520 00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:49,040 um and you know one could argue that we 1521 00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,440 are we are parasites ourselves so you 1522 00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:52,960 know a parasite on a parasite is that 1523 00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:55,359 really a parasite well i don't know 1524 00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,799 um you know we we definitely take more 1525 00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,480 from the environment and take more from 1526 00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,559 each other than we we give 1527 00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,760 that seems to be in our nature and we 1528 00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,280 replicate and replicate and replicate 1529 00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:07,520 you know what makes cancer so dangerous 1530 00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:10,559 is that cancer is a rogue cell 1531 00:56:14,870 --> 00:56:12,960 that its genetic sequence is changed 1532 00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,880 there's a mutation that occurs 1533 00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,880 and it causes a replica it causes a 1534 00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,440 replication of that that cell 1535 00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,079 and it continues to replicate and make 1536 00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:24,480 copies of itself uh to the point where 1537 00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,720 it begins to disrupt the vital functions 1538 00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:29,359 of of the bigger organism 1539 00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:31,680 and the cancer isn't very smart see the 1540 00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:33,200 cancer just knows that it wants to grow 1541 00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,880 and grow and grow and take over it 1542 00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,200 doesn't realize by doing so it kills the 1543 00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:39,200 very host and then the cancer goes away 1544 00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,040 the cancer dies as well 1545 00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,720 but if you look at the way human beings 1546 00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,680 work 1547 00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,200 there's a lot of similarity there right 1548 00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:47,200 we continue to replicate and replicate 1549 00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,720 and replicate we take resources take 1550 00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:50,880 resources resources until eventually 1551 00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:52,799 there's no resources left and we in 1552 00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,510 whether or not this relationship 1553 00:57:03,030 --> 00:56:59,760 involving uh if you will 1554 00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,040 this the uap is a parasitic relationship 1555 00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,440 or it's a symbiotic relationship or it's 1556 00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:07,599 it's neither of those i i think it's too 1557 00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:10,000 early to tell um 1558 00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,119 you know i i 1559 00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,839 i don't know uh looking at it from a 1560 00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:18,000 biological perspective to make any type 1561 00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:20,000 of assessment right now that it's a it's 1562 00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,280 a parasitic 1563 00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:24,240 uh relationship um we don't know a great 1564 00:57:29,829 --> 00:57:26,000 question but but i'm not sure we have 1565 00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:29,839 enough yet to to make that determination 1566 00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,680 2019 lou can you clarify um 1567 00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,760 either evidence you're aware of of your 1568 00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,680 or your opinion and i i know there are 1569 00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:39,200 limitations with drones which you've 1570 00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,480 described 1571 00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,200 um but specifically july of 2019 where 1572 00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:46,319 jeremy corbell released videos 1573 00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:47,760 people are saying you know those are 1574 00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:49,520 drones and everything i've heard from 1575 00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:52,319 sources are like guys honestly 1576 00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:54,079 joe it doesn't matter because stuff is 1577 00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,240 happening every week i mean that that's 1578 00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:58,079 that's so yesterday i mean 1579 00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,520 we can spend time talking about if you 1580 00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:01,599 want that's fine i'm telling you right 1581 00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:04,799 now there's information coming in almost 1582 00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,000 almost on a daily basis from 1583 00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:09,839 very sophisticated sensory systems and 1584 00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,359 it is very compelling we're not talking 1585 00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,200 about blips on a radar we're not talking 1586 00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,040 about fuzzy pictures 1587 00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,440 clear compelling photos um 1588 00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,520 that comes in a lot 1589 00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,599 and again the intelligence community is 1590 00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,599 is that that flow of information that 1591 00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:26,000 spigot is finally flowing the water 1592 00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,280 coming out of that 1593 00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,720 spigot is finally flowing to where it 1594 00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,480 needs to go um 1595 00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:32,160 you know we can we can dissect that 1596 00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,520 incident just like we can dissect the 1597 00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,359 nimitz and the roosevelt and the kid and 1598 00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:37,200 the omaha and the boxer and you know 1599 00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,160 yeah it goes on and on and on um 1600 00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,240 i think what's what's important that 1601 00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:43,760 people really may not be aware of people 1602 00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,119 say well i want to see the video okay 1603 00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:47,040 well we got it we're working on it that 1604 00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,480 hopefully will happen 1605 00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:49,920 but what's more important than you 1606 00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,520 seeing a video is the fact that the 1607 00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,040 people who need to see those videos are 1608 00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,880 now beginning to see those videos 1609 00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,559 um and it's and they're working their 1610 00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:58,720 way up to to some very senior people in 1611 00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:00,000 our government and and even the 1612 00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:01,680 lawmakers are being now made aware of it 1613 00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:02,400 so 1614 00:59:09,270 --> 00:59:06,480 the construct that we spent the last 1615 00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:09,280 four years trying to help create um is 1616 00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,680 is finally coming to fruition uh and by 1617 00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:13,280 the way i can't take credit for it 1618 00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,040 because it's been a lot of people 1619 00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,280 involved in this effort but it is 1620 00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,200 happening and it's it's beginning to 1621 00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:20,880 work very well 1622 00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,920 um 1623 00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,160 so if you want to talk certainly about 1624 00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,160 about that we can talk about the drones 1625 00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:28,240 um you know i have my my opinions are 1626 00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,559 strong on it growth can only do certain 1627 00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,319 things we have only certain capabilities 1628 00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:34,640 right a lithium-ion battery of x-weight 1629 00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,880 can only provide so much charge period 1630 00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:39,040 that's physics so if you see it doing 1631 00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,480 something else then there's something 1632 00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,559 else going on now there is technology in 1633 00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,160 directed energy right eric will tell you 1634 00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,319 this you can you can actually i can 1635 00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,040 remotely step back and i can shoot 1636 00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,920 uh a directed energy at something look 1637 00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:52,960 your 1638 00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,160 charger without even plugging it in 1639 01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:58,160 it'll charge the battery so there are 1640 01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,720 ways to transmit energy 1641 01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:02,640 over distance back to your original 1642 01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,160 question you were asking me probably 1643 01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,240 about 30 minutes ago about russia u.s 1644 01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,920 and doing experiments on people and 1645 01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:09,760 psychic and remote viewing 1646 01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,079 there was a very robust 1647 01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:15,040 effort by the russians uh called uh 1648 01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:17,119 psychotronic weaponry 1649 01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:21,599 integration of of human 1650 01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,040 cognition 1651 01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,200 and and human brain function 1652 01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:27,280 consciousness and 1653 01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:29,760 and the ability to to manipulate matter 1654 01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,000 through a technical device that actually 1655 01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:34,240 was a very real program that russia 1656 01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:36,319 spent a lot of time and money on and 1657 01:00:40,950 --> 01:00:38,640 suspect they probably still are um you 1658 01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:40,960 know to try to influence and and affect 1659 01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,079 decision-making uh but to you know in 1660 01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,720 their favor with other world leaders um 1661 01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:48,240 you know it's not 1662 01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,440 surprising you have this thing called 1663 01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:51,680 havana syndrome right where where people 1664 01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,799 are getting very sick we still don't 1665 01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:53,839 know why 1666 01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:54,640 um 1667 01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:56,799 if you know how to if you know how 1668 01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:58,400 energy works and you can direct that 1669 01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:00,480 energy then then you can affect the 1670 01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:07,349 on that same angle i had somebody tell 1671 01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:08,720 me somebody who i trust that they have 1672 01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,200 sources who are telling them that putin 1673 01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,200 has developed a directed energy weapon 1674 01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:15,760 based on uap technology 1675 01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:18,160 any uh information on that 1676 01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:20,160 well let me i want to be really careful 1677 01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,799 um let me give you a very real case 1678 01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:24,000 case in point that you don't hear much 1679 01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,280 about anymore 1680 01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:27,040 there was actually a terrorist here in 1681 01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:28,559 our country 1682 01:01:31,190 --> 01:01:29,839 a while ago 1683 01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,200 that was 1684 01:01:35,829 --> 01:01:33,119 building a van 1685 01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:35,839 uh to put a directed energy weapon 1686 01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:38,640 inside of a van a cargo van and zap 1687 01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:39,520 people 1688 01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:41,119 literally cook them from the inside out 1689 01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:43,920 and that that terrorist was arrested uh 1690 01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:46,079 for for trying to to 1691 01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:47,200 to do that 1692 01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:50,000 um so that technology exists 1693 01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:50,960 now 1694 01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:53,839 you don't need to exploit a uap or a ufo 1695 01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:55,039 to do that 1696 01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:57,039 you don't we we've had that technology 1697 01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:59,039 for a long time and and 1698 01:02:01,349 --> 01:02:00,079 now 1699 01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:01,359 with the right understanding and the 1700 01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:02,640 right equipment you could probably build 1701 01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:05,039 one in your basement uh it's it's scary 1702 01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,119 very scary um 1703 01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,599 you know so that's that's that's a real 1704 01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,480 case in point of of what directed energy 1705 01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:15,359 can do um you don't need ufos to to 1706 01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,950 i think it was two years ago you wrote 1707 01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:22,720 the article on medium about your 1708 01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,240 predecessor who at the time you couldn't 1709 01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:26,160 name it was james lakatsky and how his 1710 01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,000 career was ruined by certain people who 1711 01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:30,000 had an ideology and 1712 01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:32,079 yeah people who think this is demonic 1713 01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:33,119 now 1714 01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:34,559 somebody told me recently they said 1715 01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:37,119 those same folks are higher up in the in 1716 01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:39,280 the air force it's not mentioned in you 1717 01:02:43,270 --> 01:02:41,599 guys don't mention it all but are those 1718 01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:43,280 folks really the ones who are holding 1719 01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:44,880 this back are they and i know it's not 1720 01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,920 the whole air force but there are 1721 01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:47,520 certain people it's yeah and it's not 1722 01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,000 just the air force look jim lickowski 1723 01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:52,160 asked me to make him a promise early on 1724 01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:53,920 and that when i came out i would protect 1725 01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:56,079 him and i and i did and that's why early 1726 01:03:02,870 --> 01:02:56,880 on 1727 01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:02,880 respected that tremendously and by the 1728 01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:05,039 way they were gunning for him i mean 1729 01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,480 this is a guy they were really coming 1730 01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,960 after and so we we really had to circle 1731 01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:10,480 the wagons around him the best that we 1732 01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:14,160 could who's that who's coming after him 1733 01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,599 uh i'm not going to share the names 1734 01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,920 right now um those individuals are still 1735 01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,200 part of the system 1736 01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:21,520 some of them are out um i suspect they 1737 01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:23,599 still have a lot of influence very very 1738 01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:26,319 senior members of the u.s government um 1739 01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:27,760 fortunately we had some friends that we 1740 01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:30,640 could call as well and and provide uh 1741 01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:34,319 counterfire uh i guess in in late terms 1742 01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,799 um but yeah they have you know those are 1743 01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:38,240 the folks who think this is demonic 1744 01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:39,839 those folks 1745 01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:41,520 some of them did yeah and you know they 1746 01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:43,520 had a lot of rank and a lot of influence 1747 01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:45,280 and they had been around the system for 1748 01:03:50,470 --> 01:03:48,240 a very long time um one of them was was 1749 01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:50,480 actually a mentor of mine 1750 01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:51,680 and um 1751 01:03:56,309 --> 01:03:54,000 it was uh you know it was it was really 1752 01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:56,319 really sad to see because this person 1753 01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:57,599 was normally 1754 01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:59,359 an incredible intelligence officer i 1755 01:04:02,150 --> 01:04:01,119 mean really did some great stuff for our 1756 01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:02,160 country 1757 01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:03,280 but was 1758 01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,559 had this 1759 01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,480 you know this this this 1760 01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:08,240 thing about him where 1761 01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:10,480 if it had anything to do with that that 1762 01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:12,240 conflicted with the theological belief 1763 01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,200 system um you know it was it was it was 1764 01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,799 considered demonic it was considered 1765 01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:18,640 anti-christian 1766 01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,839 and um 1767 01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:21,920 you know i i i disagree with that i mean 1768 01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:23,680 i'm i'm a very spiritual person i don't 1769 01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:26,160 wear my religion on my sleeve but you 1770 01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:27,760 know i believe in a lot of the same 1771 01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:29,440 things and principles that that he 1772 01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:32,880 believed in but i also believe that that 1773 01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:35,280 knowledge and information is important 1774 01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:37,520 to our species otherwise we don't grow 1775 01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,559 and at the end of the day it doesn't 1776 01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:40,640 matter how good or how bad the news is 1777 01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:42,480 we need to know what it is 1778 01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:43,359 and 1779 01:04:47,109 --> 01:04:45,920 that's where where i differed with with 1780 01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:47,119 some of these folks who were part of 1781 01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:49,280 this little little religious cabal that 1782 01:04:53,270 --> 01:04:51,200 existed 1783 01:04:55,109 --> 01:04:53,280 in your interview with um 1784 01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:55,119 david marceau you mentioned that certain 1785 01:04:58,069 --> 01:04:56,640 members of congress and i don't think a 1786 01:04:59,349 --> 01:04:58,079 lot of people know this i didn't know 1787 01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:59,359 until i was just looking at the 1788 01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:01,280 interview they've shared some of their 1789 01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,160 uap experiences with you um i know you 1790 01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:06,319 can't tell us who but what kind of ex 1791 01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:07,680 have they were they like really 1792 01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:09,680 impressive or just you know everyday ufo 1793 01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,880 experiences or 1794 01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:12,480 or any of them thinking about talking 1795 01:05:15,589 --> 01:05:13,680 about it 1796 01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,599 i love what you said every day ufo 1797 01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:17,200 experiences that's how far that's how 1798 01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:18,799 far we've come in the conversation right 1799 01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:23,359 where now it's i'm so spoiled ridiculous 1800 01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:25,039 well i guess that's a good thing that we 1801 01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:28,079 can talk about in those terms yeah um in 1802 01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:30,240 some cases uh some of them were your 1803 01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:32,000 typical 1804 01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,839 glowing light in the sky moving 1805 01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,440 erratically 1806 01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:37,760 moving very fast changing directions 90 1807 01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:40,079 degrees in other cases far more 1808 01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:41,200 compelling 1809 01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,440 much more up close and personal in fact 1810 01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:45,200 in some cases terrifying 1811 01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:46,960 um you know i 1812 01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,440 i as you said correctly i'm not going to 1813 01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,119 speak and reveal what they've shared 1814 01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:53,839 with me who shared to me in confidence 1815 01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:56,640 um and if anybody knows by now i'm one 1816 01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:58,079 of those guys that if i tell you 1817 01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:00,960 something i will deliver um even at the 1818 01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:03,359 cost of saving my own skin 1819 01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:06,319 i'm not that guy um and so 1820 01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:08,240 this is another case just like with jim 1821 01:06:12,150 --> 01:06:10,000 lakovsky asking me not to reveal his 1822 01:06:14,069 --> 01:06:12,160 identity um i'm not going to reveal the 1823 01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:14,079 identity of these representatives nor am 1824 01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:15,920 i going to reveal their their stories 1825 01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:18,079 until they decide they want to do it but 1826 01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,640 yeah they they shared with me um their 1827 01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,559 their experiences and some were very 1828 01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:24,319 very compelling and some 1829 01:06:28,710 --> 01:06:26,960 uh were not surprising at all uh some of 1830 01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:28,720 them uh when when they're explaining to 1831 01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:30,000 me i'm like hey that's interesting that 1832 01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:31,280 sounds like one of our cases right out 1833 01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:34,240 of atip maybe maybe you were there 1834 01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:35,839 so um 1835 01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,079 yeah there you have it 1836 01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:40,319 is there any way for this is frustrating 1837 01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:41,920 for me and other people like somebody 1838 01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:43,359 like senator heinrich will come out and 1839 01:06:46,150 --> 01:06:44,400 he'll say 1840 01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:46,160 what we're seeing in there that's i 1841 01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:48,000 don't think that's ours is there any way 1842 01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:50,240 for them to just tell us what they're 1843 01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,920 seeing because it doesn't affect sources 1844 01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:53,200 and methods if they were to come out and 1845 01:06:56,710 --> 01:06:54,000 say 1846 01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:56,720 i saw this object up close silver disk 1847 01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,920 and it took off 1848 01:07:01,589 --> 01:06:59,680 like a bat out of hell and made a 90 1849 01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,599 degree turn is there anything that we 1850 01:07:04,870 --> 01:07:03,280 can do to actually get them so they're 1851 01:07:06,069 --> 01:07:04,880 able to i know it's i think i think 1852 01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:06,079 they're getting there i think they're 1853 01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:07,520 getting there uh i think they're getting 1854 01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,359 there's been some products put out to to 1855 01:07:12,789 --> 01:07:11,280 the u.s government specific agencies and 1856 01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,799 bureaus i'm not going to go into detail 1857 01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:14,240 what they've seen and what what products 1858 01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:15,359 have been put out 1859 01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:16,960 but they they know that's why they're 1860 01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:18,799 taking it seriously they've there's been 1861 01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:22,079 video now shared and production products 1862 01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:23,280 briefings 1863 01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:25,599 that are not what the general public has 1864 01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:27,359 seen and saying hey we've got to get to 1865 01:07:30,789 --> 01:07:29,440 the bottom of this this is real here you 1866 01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,799 go you can see it for yourself 1867 01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:32,880 unfortunately it's classified so 1868 01:07:35,670 --> 01:07:34,240 a lot of these folks aren't going to say 1869 01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:35,680 anything and nor should they they're 1870 01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:37,039 doing the right thing by not saying 1871 01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:37,920 anything 1872 01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:39,680 but ultimately this is the intent of the 1873 01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:41,400 gillibrand amendment right to provide an 1874 01:07:44,950 --> 01:07:43,359 unclassified report 1875 01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,960 why is that important because now joe 1876 01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,799 that scratch that you've been that itch 1877 01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:48,240 that's been bothering you for so long 1878 01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:50,720 can finally be scratched this is exactly 1879 01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,319 and as i told people this wasn't going 1880 01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:54,720 to happen in a day i told people look 1881 01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:57,200 have patience if you if you don't 1882 01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:59,039 get out of this talk for five years and 1883 01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:01,200 tune back in in five years this is a 1884 01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:04,400 process this is not an event okay so so 1885 01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:06,079 it's happening it's working we now have 1886 01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:08,160 this historic law where a classified 1887 01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,880 product has to be provided and it's it's 1888 01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:13,200 happening it it's it takes a little time 1889 01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:14,559 you know people have to understand 1890 01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,239 you're you're you're trying to eat the 1891 01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:17,759 elephant all in one bite you can't 1892 01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:19,359 you're gonna choke you physically can't 1893 01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:21,040 do it you know you have to eat it in 1894 01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:22,400 bite-size pieces and i know it's 1895 01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:23,759 frustrating and everybody wants well i 1896 01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,920 want it now i understand but this isn't 1897 01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,359 necessarily burger king and have it your 1898 01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:29,440 way and have it right now this is this 1899 01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:30,640 is a much 1900 01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:33,839 much more profound topic that requires 1901 01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:35,600 you know a lot of brain power from a lot 1902 01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,520 of a lot of smart people people hell a 1903 01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:39,359 lot smarter than me 1904 01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:40,640 yeah well i remember when you said the 1905 01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:41,679 five year 1906 01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,440 in reaction to somebody talking about 1907 01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:47,359 bodies or you mentioned you said listen 1908 01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,719 if you want to talk about bodies come 1909 01:08:52,630 --> 01:08:50,880 back five years from now and i'm like if 1910 01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:52,640 we're talking about bodies and crashes 1911 01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,080 people's in five years i'm gonna be 1912 01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,960 pretty happy because i'm pretty i'm very 1913 01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,560 i'm very patient i want to see videos 1914 01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,400 but there's so much stuff still i need 1915 01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,159 to learn that i don't worry about that 1916 01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:04,080 because i'm so behind trying to keep up 1917 01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,520 with your interviews and just learning 1918 01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:07,600 more stuff i mean i just got into the 1919 01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,440 poltergeist side like i didn't even know 1920 01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:11,040 there was a connection until eric davis 1921 01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:12,560 talked about it two years ago he said 1922 01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:14,000 there's a connection between ufos and 1923 01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,359 poultry guys so there's so much more to 1924 01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:17,759 learn but like yeah five years 1925 01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:18,839 i'm 1926 01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,839 fine um well yeah i mean we're we're 1927 01:09:26,229 --> 01:09:23,279 getting there now right you now have 1928 01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:26,239 biological effects listed as as part of 1929 01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:27,600 part of 1930 01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,679 you know the law i mean that's 1931 01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:31,120 that's a big deal that's a huge step 1932 01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:32,400 forward 1933 01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:34,159 i i never expected that i mean i didn't 1934 01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:35,679 expect senator gillibrand came out of 1935 01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,520 nowhere i had no idea i was like who 1936 01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:39,199 well she's talking about this now so 1937 01:09:44,309 --> 01:09:41,040 that was just a really great 1938 01:09:48,550 --> 01:09:44,319 did you see her her the uh the hearing 1939 01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:48,560 with the new proposed new dod inspector 1940 01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:51,359 general the ig where she says yeah you 1941 01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,319 need to 1942 01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:54,400 figure that out and report back to me 1943 01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:57,440 you know um my response to that is you 1944 01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:58,560 know 1945 01:10:02,470 --> 01:10:00,800 congratulations senator thank you thank 1946 01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,480 you for doing that that's precisely we 1947 01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,239 need to hold people accountable 1948 01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:06,239 you know i've often said if i was ever a 1949 01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:07,280 senator 1950 01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:09,040 it's going to be bad i'm going to be 1951 01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:10,719 hauling people up constantly and i know 1952 01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,719 exactly where the bodies are buried so 1953 01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,800 i'm going to make a lot of people really 1954 01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:16,800 really uncomfortable with this topic and 1955 01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:18,960 not just this one other topics involving 1956 01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:20,800 over secrecy and over classification 1957 01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:22,400 because the american people do have a 1958 01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:24,000 right to know 1959 01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:25,360 speaking of bodies are buried you 1960 01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:26,800 mentioned on coast to coast a couple of 1961 01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:28,880 years or maybe maybe last year 1962 01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:30,239 if you were in charge you would know 1963 01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:32,080 exactly where to go to get the real good 1964 01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:33,679 stuff so 1965 01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:34,800 is there 1966 01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,199 what am i back in 2000 i was wondering 1967 01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:39,360 we were talking about this stuff 22 1968 01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:40,880 years ago 1969 01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:43,040 and i'm like how do we get access if if 1970 01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:45,120 there is if there is a program with 1971 01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,960 crash saucers and bodies allegedly 1972 01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:48,960 hypothetically you know how to get how 1973 01:10:52,149 --> 01:10:50,560 we would get access to that i mean do 1974 01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:52,159 you have enough i know you can't talk 1975 01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,520 about certain things but your clearances 1976 01:10:57,750 --> 01:10:55,840 would give you access to spec to certain 1977 01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:57,760 certain locations where you would get be 1978 01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:59,040 able to get bring that information out 1979 01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,640 it's not it's not a matter of clearance 1980 01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:02,400 it's a matter of knowledge 1981 01:11:05,669 --> 01:11:03,600 it has nothing to do with security 1982 01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:05,679 clearance has everything to do with 1983 01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:08,159 knowing the information 1984 01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:08,880 so 1985 01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:11,199 you know um but fortunately i don't have 1986 01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:14,000 to do that um fortunately 1987 01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:15,840 uh there are other individuals that are 1988 01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,080 that are engaged on this and and working 1989 01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,159 that quite 1990 01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:25,270 i want to ask you about not specifically 1991 01:11:29,910 --> 01:11:27,760 just hypothetically 1992 01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,920 uh the wilson documents 1993 01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:31,760 hypothetically if there was a person in 1994 01:11:36,390 --> 01:11:35,040 charge deputy he was vice deputy of 1995 01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:36,400 intelligence if there was the vice 1996 01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:38,840 deputy of intelligence who came across a 1997 01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,199 program that he was not read into that 1998 01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,600 was ufo related would he be within his 1999 01:11:47,669 --> 01:11:45,920 rights to demand access to that program 2000 01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,679 because there are people like 2001 01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:49,199 if you're not on the bigot list you 2002 01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:50,880 should not expect to be you know right 2003 01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,320 into that program 2004 01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,239 in the hypothetical 2005 01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:56,239 you can demand all you want 2006 01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:59,360 it's going to happen there are lots of 2007 01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:02,000 people that i i declined reading on to 2008 01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:03,440 our programs 2009 01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,880 whether it's a tip or other ones that i 2010 01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:06,880 ran um even though they said they have a 2011 01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:08,719 need to know well i made that decision 2012 01:12:13,110 --> 01:12:11,360 actually no you don't because i have 2013 01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,120 a better understanding of the program 2014 01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,120 and what your roles and responsibilities 2015 01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:17,440 are from in your portfolio 2016 01:12:21,669 --> 01:12:19,840 aren't necessarily synergistic with ours 2017 01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:21,679 and so um 2018 01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:22,960 you know 2019 01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,679 you can submit what we call a par uh all 2020 01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:28,159 par all all day long but 2021 01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:30,080 i'm not gonna i'm not gonna prove it and 2022 01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:31,280 you're not gonna get wrong right on 2023 01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:33,040 you're not gonna get the information i 2024 01:12:36,070 --> 01:12:34,159 know to some people that sounds 2025 01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:36,080 egregious but but that's how you have to 2026 01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:37,600 protect national security information 2027 01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:43,189 i have a question from a friend what and 2028 01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,719 i know you've answered this before is 2029 01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,560 there anything else the public can do 2030 01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,120 versus government efforts for me i mean 2031 01:12:52,950 --> 01:12:50,960 i know you do what you're doing now joe 2032 01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,960 you you're doing it you you know people 2033 01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:54,239 are having the conversation now around 2034 01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:56,000 the water cool and around the around the 2035 01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:56,880 the 2036 01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:01,120 i don't know what your followers used to 2037 01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,640 be when you first started your channel 2038 01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:04,800 but i'd be curious how many you have now 2039 01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,239 compared to what you had when you first 2040 01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,239 started uh if you don't mind sharing 2041 01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:10,080 that i think that would be very telling 2042 01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:12,719 um do you have that data 2043 01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:15,440 on youtube no i don't do it i need to do 2044 01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,960 more youtube i don't like being on 2045 01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,960 camera and doing this but 2046 01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:20,080 twitter 2047 01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:26,080 then you know you get over a thousand 2048 01:13:30,870 --> 01:13:28,960 and then now it's over 15 000. part of 2049 01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,880 that is it grows exponentially when 2050 01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,719 people see a number they're like oh that 2051 01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:34,480 person knows what i'm talking about but 2052 01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:36,080 so you've grown 2053 01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:37,120 3 2054 01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:39,520 000 2055 01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:40,560 okay 2056 01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:43,920 so so think about that for a second 500 2057 01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:45,199 to 15 2058 01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:46,800 thousand 2059 01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,840 um 2060 01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,440 that's significant 2061 01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:51,600 you if you want an indicator that that 2062 01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:52,880 you're making a difference and your 2063 01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:54,880 audience is making a difference 2064 01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:57,040 look no further because people are 2065 01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,320 getting more and more interested they 2066 01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:00,320 wanna hear what you have to say and what 2067 01:14:04,149 --> 01:14:02,320 others have to say and by the way 2068 01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:04,159 equally important are those people that 2069 01:14:07,910 --> 01:14:05,760 are tuning in to those followers people 2070 01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,920 say well you know it's the person who's 2071 01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,199 actually has a channel who's most 2072 01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:11,040 important that's not true that's why 2073 01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:12,239 people say with me oh lou you know 2074 01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:14,159 you're leading this this disclosure 2075 01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:15,920 effort no i'm not i'm just playing my 2076 01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:18,560 role in it you the audience is the one 2077 01:14:21,030 --> 01:14:20,080 leading this effort you're the ones 2078 01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:21,040 doing it 2079 01:14:24,149 --> 01:14:22,400 because it's it's 2080 01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:24,159 it's your involvement and your interest 2081 01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,360 in this that is forcing our government 2082 01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:29,760 to to come to heal on this for the first 2083 01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:32,000 time in the history of our species 2084 01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,520 uh and that's a testament to your 2085 01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,320 audience not to me and and and you know 2086 01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,000 you get some of that credit but but 2087 01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:40,719 mostly that goes to your audience and um 2088 01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,719 you know if you want to know 2089 01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:44,640 if we're making a difference 2090 01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:47,199 look at the math 2091 01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,480 definitely making a difference it's 2092 01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:50,239 amazing i can't believe how far we've 2093 01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:52,400 gotten so quickly um in all of your 2094 01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:53,840 briefings you've given on the subject 2095 01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,480 what's the most interesting encouraging 2096 01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,239 and or surprising thing you've heard 2097 01:15:01,910 --> 01:15:00,719 from folks you were briefing 2098 01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:01,920 um 2099 01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:03,679 can you be a little more specific i'm 2100 01:15:07,750 --> 01:15:06,560 not quite sure i understand the question 2101 01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,760 just what are the most interesting 2102 01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:09,120 reactions you've had from people who 2103 01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:11,120 were who were on the receiving side of 2104 01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:13,040 your briefing as well okay good great 2105 01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,920 great 2106 01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:15,360 something that i think you're some 2107 01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:16,640 things you know 2108 01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:18,080 i think the most surprising is when 2109 01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:19,920 people can't process it it's not that 2110 01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:21,760 they disagree with it or agree with it 2111 01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:24,000 after our briefing it's just a blank 2112 01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:26,000 stare and they start asking you about 2113 01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,199 football stats as if if the brain 2114 01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:31,040 literally could not process the last 2115 01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,560 hour of information and so what it does 2116 01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:34,080 it switches tracks 2117 01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,400 to something that it can process 2118 01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:38,400 um 2119 01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:40,000 you know to me this is perhaps one of 2120 01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:42,320 the greatest existential moments of our 2121 01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,440 species 2122 01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,880 since we first 2123 01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,520 learned to walk on two legs 2124 01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:49,520 and for people who senior people 2125 01:15:53,910 --> 01:15:52,560 especially who who are paid to to to 2126 01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:53,920 receive information and then make 2127 01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,600 recommendations to not be able to 2128 01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:58,000 process it 2129 01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,760 not necessarily surprised but but 2130 01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,600 you know it's um it's interesting it's 2131 01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:04,880 interesting because you can you can 2132 01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:07,199 almost see the synaptic loop 2133 01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:08,080 uh 2134 01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:09,840 in their eyes when you when you when you 2135 01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,120 when you're finished with the briefing 2136 01:16:15,030 --> 01:16:13,679 and you're never quite sure 2137 01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:15,040 how the person is going to take the 2138 01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:16,400 information till afterwards so there's 2139 01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:19,120 this uneasy five-second time period 2140 01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:21,920 where it's just kind of this 2141 01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,679 and you're waiting to see what they say 2142 01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,520 and um 2143 01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:27,440 yeah i think that for me is is the most 2144 01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:30,239 most interesting when when 2145 01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:31,360 they 2146 01:16:38,470 --> 01:16:36,560 are you are you able to expand it all 2147 01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:38,480 anymore upon the on the gentleman you 2148 01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:39,600 met 2149 01:16:45,030 --> 01:16:42,080 who said he did your job in the 80s 2150 01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:45,040 i i cannot uh 2151 01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:46,960 and nor will i um 2152 01:16:51,270 --> 01:16:48,640 he individual 2153 01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:51,280 has not given me permission to to to 2154 01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:53,120 come out and i certainly wouldn't want 2155 01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:56,080 to betray that confidence um 2156 01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:57,840 i suspect at some point 2157 01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,360 you know hopefully that will become 2158 01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:01,600 public but that's not up to me um 2159 01:17:04,790 --> 01:17:02,800 what's more important is that the 2160 01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:04,800 individual's identity is is what the 2161 01:17:08,709 --> 01:17:06,880 individual said and said in the presence 2162 01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:08,719 of other individuals that that that's 2163 01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:10,000 what's interesting 2164 01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:11,840 uh and those individuals didn't seem to 2165 01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:13,600 blink an eye and for people who don't 2166 01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,400 know just real brief what happened 2167 01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,640 yeah i i was in washington dc briefing 2168 01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:20,560 some people on the hill and uh there was 2169 01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:22,800 an individual uh there um that was 2170 01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,360 attending this meeting and uh you know i 2171 01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,360 i didn't invite the individual but 2172 01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:29,679 clearly the individual was a known 2173 01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:32,400 quantity if you will uh known person to 2174 01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:34,080 the people there and 2175 01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:36,480 uh give about an hour briefing of what 2176 01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:39,120 what we were involved with in atip and 2177 01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,480 afterwards the individual came up and 2178 01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:42,239 said um 2179 01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,760 hey lou my name is so-and-so i just 2180 01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:45,840 wanted to say um you know thanks for the 2181 01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:47,760 briefing i want to let you know that i 2182 01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,480 that i had your program in the 80s 2183 01:17:53,110 --> 01:17:51,920 and 2184 01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:53,120 you know i played a little koi to be 2185 01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:55,120 honest with you i said oh really you you 2186 01:18:01,830 --> 01:17:58,640 you had this portfolio xyz and he said 2187 01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:01,840 no no the the portfolio just brief uap 2188 01:18:06,470 --> 01:18:04,320 portfolio um it's just we didn't get 2189 01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:06,480 quite as far as you guys did 2190 01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:07,600 and i was 2191 01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:09,520 shocked because this is the first time 2192 01:18:13,590 --> 01:18:11,679 somebody was acknowledging to me that 2193 01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:13,600 that the us government a particular 2194 01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:15,840 organization within a particular service 2195 01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,320 was looking at uaps in the 80s after 2196 01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,239 blue book had closed down 2197 01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,640 and before we were looking at it you 2198 01:18:25,669 --> 01:18:24,320 know i thought we were kind of the only 2199 01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,679 show in town and 2200 01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,520 and i wish we had 2201 01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,679 i had known that before because 2202 01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:31,520 part of understanding this this enigma 2203 01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:33,199 is understanding the continuity within 2204 01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:35,040 the us government of the different 2205 01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:36,800 organizations and efforts that we're 2206 01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,199 looking at ufos throughout history of 2207 01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:41,360 the us um because you don't want to 2208 01:18:43,990 --> 01:18:42,560 reinvent the wheel you don't want to 2209 01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:44,000 spend two years 2210 01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,600 going down a rabbit hole only to find 2211 01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:47,600 out that predecessors did the same thing 2212 01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,520 and either they came up empty-handed or 2213 01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:51,360 or that it was fruitful you know you 2214 01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:52,719 don't want to 2215 01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:54,080 it's nice to have a road map in front of 2216 01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,679 you rather than just blindly walking 2217 01:18:58,630 --> 01:18:57,120 into an area and then you find out oh 2218 01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:58,640 yeah we've been we've been down that 2219 01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:01,120 road for you know decades well 2220 01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:02,480 been nice to know 2221 01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:03,920 so um 2222 01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:05,840 so yeah that that actually occurred that 2223 01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:08,080 was real 2224 01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:09,760 ever heard of the term 2225 01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:12,960 pounce team my friend michael 2226 01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:15,040 wanted me to ask you that 2227 01:19:19,990 --> 01:19:17,840 pounce team yes mostly supposedly it's 2228 01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:20,000 related to crash retrievals uh 2229 01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:22,080 on spaced out radio you uh dave asked 2230 01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:23,600 you if you had ever seen a gray and 2231 01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:24,719 you're like you saw some pretty 2232 01:19:29,189 --> 01:19:26,400 extraordinary things but in every 2233 01:19:31,830 --> 01:19:29,199 situation you needed more data so 2234 01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:31,840 if just hypothetically if if you were 2235 01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:34,400 giving access to bodies and craft how 2236 01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:36,000 would you determine where they're from 2237 01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:37,679 what they are i mean you've touched on 2238 01:19:41,270 --> 01:19:39,360 this before it's like just because we 2239 01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:41,280 have if we hypothetically have that 2240 01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:42,800 stuff it doesn't mean we know what they 2241 01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:44,719 what they are doesn't mean we know where 2242 01:19:48,709 --> 01:19:46,320 they're from how would you even go about 2243 01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,719 doing that well i would first of all 2244 01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:50,880 hire a team of 2245 01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:53,840 medical doctors that are used to 2246 01:19:58,149 --> 01:19:55,600 performing um 2247 01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:58,159 autopsy so a corner very highly trained 2248 01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:01,760 corner and then compare and contrast the 2249 01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:03,120 the 2250 01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:04,719 biological 2251 01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,320 mechanism 2252 01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:08,000 of whatever is in front of you and 2253 01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,000 compare and contrast that to what we 2254 01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:12,480 know of the human being right so as a 2255 01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:14,080 species there are lots of different 2256 01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:16,000 animals on this planet some have 2257 01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:17,920 something called radial symmetry think 2258 01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:18,800 of a 2259 01:20:22,709 --> 01:20:21,280 starfish and then you have 2260 01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:22,719 things like us that have bilateral 2261 01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,880 symmetry okay but we still you know arm 2262 01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:27,600 over here arm over here leg on this side 2263 01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:30,000 leg on this side i on this side i on 2264 01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:31,600 this side two ears 2265 01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:34,560 we have that that bilateral symmetry 2266 01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,440 and 2267 01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:37,360 you want somebody who's qualified in 2268 01:20:42,950 --> 01:20:38,880 understanding 2269 01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:44,470 to include even 2270 01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:47,120 bio biomechanically uh understand the 2271 01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:48,800 chemical processes understands how the 2272 01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:50,239 organs work and the relationship the 2273 01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:51,520 liver might have to the kidney to the 2274 01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:52,880 heart to the lungs 2275 01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,280 to the brain how the circulatory system 2276 01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,120 and pulmonary systems work 2277 01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:59,600 um all that's important because then you 2278 01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:01,440 need to use that as your only base 2279 01:21:05,189 --> 01:21:02,880 because really that's all we have to 2280 01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:05,199 understand you know biological systems 2281 01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:06,239 if you will 2282 01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:07,840 and then apply that to what it is you're 2283 01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:09,920 looking at and does this organism 2284 01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:12,159 display bilateral symmetry okay if so 2285 01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:13,360 what are the similarities and what are 2286 01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:14,719 the differences i have 2287 01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:16,080 five fingers or does it have three 2288 01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:18,400 fingers right um and and that's where 2289 01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:19,840 you would start and then that's and 2290 01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:21,199 that's just the beginning then you would 2291 01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:22,480 start bringing in 2292 01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:24,480 um 2293 01:21:28,229 --> 01:21:25,840 from my perspective everybody from 2294 01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:28,239 microbiologists virologists probably 2295 01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:30,320 biochemists because i want to see the 2296 01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:32,159 biochemistry of the organism does it 2297 01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:33,920 have a metabolism 2298 01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:35,840 does it metabolize 2299 01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:38,000 adp adenosine diphosphate density 2300 01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:39,760 triphosphate to adenosine diphosphate 2301 01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,760 for energy release and all the things 2302 01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:43,920 that we we 2303 01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:45,440 do to 2304 01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:46,960 get energy 2305 01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:49,040 and use that energy 2306 01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,880 is it similar is it different right is 2307 01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:52,560 it even a carbon-based 2308 01:21:56,550 --> 01:21:54,880 life form or is it silicone-based which 2309 01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:56,560 is very similar to carbon but but 2310 01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:57,520 different 2311 01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,280 um you know all those are the things 2312 01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:01,520 that you want to you want to to look at 2313 01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:04,639 do if it has organs like eyes 2314 01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:07,199 do they do they work like ours do or do 2315 01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:09,120 they see perhaps in a in a are they 2316 01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,960 designed to see in a different spectrum 2317 01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:13,360 where where its visible light is either 2318 01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:16,080 shifted down or up uh does it have 2319 01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,280 hearing does it have the five 2320 01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:19,120 fundamental senses that we have or does 2321 01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:21,040 it have an additional set of senses that 2322 01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:23,040 you know like dolphins for example can 2323 01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:25,600 echolocate and sharks have have 2324 01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:27,760 have certain organs on the end of their 2325 01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:28,560 their 2326 01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:31,840 blood in the water right things that 2327 01:22:36,390 --> 01:22:33,840 we've kind of looked at as kind of being 2328 01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:36,400 magical or the way bats operate right 2329 01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:38,960 using echolocation to them that's a 2330 01:22:43,350 --> 01:22:40,880 sixth sense you know to us it's kind of 2331 01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,360 bizarre to think about but but it's not 2332 01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:45,520 it's actually pretty natural and that's 2333 01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,629 thanks for that 2334 01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,800 you mentioned roswell i know long-winded 2335 01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:54,719 but it's uh you know it's not a it's not 2336 01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:57,199 a it's not a quick question to answer 2337 01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:59,360 it's not just you know i 2338 01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:00,880 you know cut it open and see what i see 2339 01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:03,280 you know for the love of god no that's 2340 01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:04,719 that's not what you do 2341 01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,040 i understand thanks for that um you 2342 01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:09,120 mentioned roswell and and you basically 2343 01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:10,800 recently you said there's more to it 2344 01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:12,880 than most people realize but you also 2345 01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,639 said there are other similar incidents 2346 01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,320 are you as and you said you believe 2347 01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:18,880 roswell was real are you as confident in 2348 01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:20,960 other incidents 2349 01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,960 as you are with roswell 2350 01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,840 yes 2351 01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:25,520 okay 2352 01:23:28,709 --> 01:23:27,280 um how did you react i don't know if you 2353 01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,719 remember when you were on when you were 2354 01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:30,320 on tucker caulson and you said the first 2355 01:23:33,510 --> 01:23:32,080 time you said he was asking you if 2356 01:23:35,590 --> 01:23:33,520 there's debris from a ufo and you said 2357 01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:35,600 yes and 2358 01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:37,679 that day eric davis came out and said 2359 01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,639 100 2360 01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:40,719 and he said landed craft too did you see 2361 01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:42,960 that when they came out 2362 01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:49,350 okay um somebody asked me 2363 01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:51,600 and i have to uh people want me to ask 2364 01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:53,440 you about dna because when i first got 2365 01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,040 into this i read zachariah sitchin and 2366 01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,880 then i realized and i'm like oh my god 2367 01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:58,400 they created us and then later on i 2368 01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:01,360 realized a lot of sitchin translated may 2369 01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,960 not have been accurate i'm still 2370 01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:04,480 open-minded 2371 01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,600 about there may have been some 2372 01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:07,440 manipulation in the past is there is 2373 01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:09,199 there any evidence along those lines or 2374 01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,480 when you talk about that are you just 2375 01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:12,159 speculating 2376 01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:13,840 well uh 2377 01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:16,400 look i mean uh 2378 01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:19,120 dna is the building block for 2379 01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:22,400 for most most not all life 2380 01:24:27,350 --> 01:24:25,600 on this planet um there are other 2381 01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,360 exceptions like viruses that that are 2382 01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:29,600 that are solely rna 2383 01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:31,280 ribonucleic acid 2384 01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,159 um 2385 01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:34,960 you know there are there are 2386 01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:37,520 there are building blocks to life that 2387 01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:40,880 we identify as being life forms okay so 2388 01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:42,719 not necessarily universal but but for 2389 01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:45,040 what we know life here on this planet 2390 01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,600 and that is based on the the properties 2391 01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,920 of dna and and the one of the building 2392 01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:52,000 blocks of that are amino acids 2393 01:24:55,189 --> 01:24:53,440 and amino acids if you understand a 2394 01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:55,199 little bit about biochemistry and the 2395 01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,480 way it works 2396 01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:58,400 at the end of the day carbon 2397 01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,080 um is when you say organic chemistry or 2398 01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,080 organic life what you're really saying 2399 01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:06,639 is carbon carbon based units 2400 01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:09,760 um those those 2401 01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:12,239 things uh on on a planet that are 2402 01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:13,760 composed of carbon now there's a lot of 2403 01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:15,600 things that are both composed of carbon 2404 01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:18,400 but most life forms here if not all are 2405 01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,639 carbon based and so that's the starting 2406 01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:22,800 point when you talk about life on this 2407 01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:25,920 planet well we now know there are other 2408 01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:28,320 even in this solar system alone a lot of 2409 01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,560 these building blocks for life 2410 01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,800 exist in fact they're very pervasive we 2411 01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:34,800 sent some probes over around jupiter and 2412 01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:36,960 saturn to some of these moons that have 2413 01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:39,679 a lot of methane methane is a is a 2414 01:25:44,629 --> 01:25:42,400 carbon-based gas uh it's critical for 2415 01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,639 life believe it or not um because of 2416 01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:46,080 carbon 2417 01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:48,639 so i i think you know dna is certainly 2418 01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,520 something we we should look at um or 2419 01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,239 certainly that arrangement um are you 2420 01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,480 familiar with with agtc and what 2421 01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:58,080 actually 2422 01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:00,159 genetic what dna is a lot of people talk 2423 01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:02,800 about dna but very bad 2424 01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,960 okay so i'll forgive me here i'm not 2425 01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:06,719 going to go too far down the the trail 2426 01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:10,719 then um but but dna is a way it's a code 2427 01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,280 it's a code of life and and you can if 2428 01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:15,440 you understand how dna works 2429 01:26:19,350 --> 01:26:17,760 you can it's a blueprint it's what it is 2430 01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,360 like you go to lowe's and you want to go 2431 01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,360 uh build a shed or you want to build a 2432 01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:23,040 house ultimately you need blueprints and 2433 01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:25,840 you need material you need wood or steel 2434 01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:27,840 you need nails you need a few things 2435 01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:29,600 basic and whether you want to build a 2436 01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,719 shed 2437 01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:32,159 or you want to build a garage you want 2438 01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:33,520 to build a mansion right it's all the 2439 01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:34,719 same material just a little bit 2440 01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:35,920 different design and a little bit more 2441 01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:37,760 of it well that's kind of how how life 2442 01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:39,280 is on this planet you know so whether 2443 01:26:41,910 --> 01:26:40,560 you're talking about a single cell 2444 01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:41,920 organism or you're talking about a human 2445 01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:44,159 being or an elephant or a whale as 2446 01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:46,239 different as we may appear 2447 01:26:50,310 --> 01:26:48,080 we're all fundamentally basically the 2448 01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:50,320 same we're made of the same stuff just a 2449 01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:52,000 little bit different blueprint but but 2450 01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:53,520 the same material 2451 01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:55,280 and so the question is is that true 2452 01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:57,360 universally or is that just here on this 2453 01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:58,480 planet 2454 01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:00,320 and uh and those are some of the 2455 01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:02,080 questions we're trying to ask right now 2456 01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:03,600 and and that's why it's i think it's 2457 01:27:06,390 --> 01:27:05,600 it's important when we talk about 2458 01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:06,400 uh 2459 01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:07,520 zeno 2460 01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:08,880 you know what we call 2461 01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:11,120 xenolife if you will life that's not 2462 01:27:15,189 --> 01:27:12,800 from here potentially 2463 01:27:17,430 --> 01:27:15,199 is it constructed the same way we are 2464 01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,440 does it require a blueprint or are we 2465 01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:19,040 dealing with something fundamentally 2466 01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:20,000 different 2467 01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:22,719 and in dna you can unlock a lot of 2468 01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:24,800 secrets we can look at there are 2469 01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:26,719 aspects of our dna that we share with a 2470 01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:28,639 lizard and that monkey share with a 2471 01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:31,600 lizard so there are you can go back on 2472 01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:34,800 that tree you can unwind the tape of dni 2473 01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:37,840 dna in essence and see where 2474 01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:40,320 species begin and subspecies began to 2475 01:27:45,030 --> 01:27:42,320 branch off from the tree 2476 01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:45,040 and and you'd be surprised how much we 2477 01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:46,800 have in common with something as simple 2478 01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:48,080 as a lizard 2479 01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:49,600 a tremendous but in fact even our brain 2480 01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,600 you hear about the reptilian brain 2481 01:27:56,390 --> 01:27:53,920 that's no joke we we share a lot of the 2482 01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:56,400 same things whether it's the optical 2483 01:27:59,830 --> 01:27:58,159 lobes of the brain or the you know the 2484 01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:59,840 cortex and the medulla oblongata and 2485 01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:01,360 other whatnot so 2486 01:28:04,229 --> 01:28:03,040 again i know i'm probably going down the 2487 01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:04,239 rabbit hole a little bit too much here 2488 01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:06,800 and i don't want to get too technical 2489 01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,719 but if you understand dna you understand 2490 01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:10,800 life and if you understand life then you 2491 01:28:13,270 --> 01:28:12,400 can compare and contrast that life with 2492 01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:13,280 other 2493 01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:18,870 do you think maybe we're dealing with an 2494 01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:21,440 obviously it's i'm assuming this is 2495 01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,960 speculation maybe we're dealing with 2496 01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:24,639 some of our relatives with some of these 2497 01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:27,120 beings assuming they're beings 2498 01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:29,360 it's a possibility we can't rule it out 2499 01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:31,040 again all options are on the table until 2500 01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:32,960 they're not on the table we look if you 2501 01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:34,880 come across a species that has bilateral 2502 01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:37,280 symmetry two arms two legs kind of looks 2503 01:28:41,110 --> 01:28:38,159 like us 2504 01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,120 you know um you know we have like 99 in 2505 01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:43,280 common dna with with the champagne 2506 01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:45,360 chimpanzee and the great apes you know 2507 01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:46,960 so and we don't really look necessarily 2508 01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:49,600 the same but we share a lot of the same 2509 01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:52,639 fundamental you know aspects um nose 2510 01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:54,639 eyes ears hair 2511 01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:57,360 you know what not um the question is is 2512 01:29:02,790 --> 01:28:58,159 that 2513 01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:02,800 just here on this planet right if you 2514 01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:04,719 come across a species that and here's 2515 01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:06,080 what i mean by that if a species comes 2516 01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:07,360 down from let's say 2517 01:29:10,870 --> 01:29:09,120 outside the solar system but it has 2518 01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,880 bilateral symmetry you have to ask one 2519 01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:12,719 of two things 2520 01:29:17,030 --> 01:29:15,199 a is it related to us 2521 01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:17,040 and did it come at some point branch off 2522 01:29:21,669 --> 01:29:18,480 from the same tree 2523 01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:21,679 or b is this very common in the universe 2524 01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:24,320 because the principles of darwin and and 2525 01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:26,320 whatnot and adaptability don't just 2526 01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:27,920 apply here on this planet they apply 2527 01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:30,320 elsewhere and so any type of intelligent 2528 01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:32,480 life form that can you know one of the 2529 01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:34,960 for example one of the most fundamental 2530 01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:37,120 evolutionary uh 2531 01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,880 things that that our species was gifted 2532 01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,800 it was whether it's the opposable thumb 2533 01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,239 the ability to have an opposable thumb 2534 01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:44,000 that allow us now to manipulate things 2535 01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:47,280 like a pen and glasses and cell phones 2536 01:29:50,229 --> 01:29:48,880 create tools 2537 01:29:51,910 --> 01:29:50,239 that was a huge advancement for our 2538 01:29:54,070 --> 01:29:51,920 species most species on this planet 2539 01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:54,080 don't have opposable thumps but primates 2540 01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:54,960 do but 2541 01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:57,280 but most animals don't that was a huge 2542 01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:59,199 advantage for us well if you come across 2543 01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:01,520 let's say in this case an alien for 2544 01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:04,000 example that has opposable thumbs well 2545 01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:06,080 was that because it's related to us or 2546 01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:08,719 is that because that is a disadvantage 2547 01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:10,719 for any species in cosmos that if it 2548 01:30:13,590 --> 01:30:12,480 develops these then at some point this 2549 01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:13,600 will probably develop and then 2550 01:30:17,590 --> 01:30:15,040 technologically it will evolve and 2551 01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:17,600 eventually will be you know it'll it'll 2552 01:30:21,270 --> 01:30:20,400 it'll it'll be where they are um i don't 2553 01:30:22,709 --> 01:30:21,280 know 2554 01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:22,719 these are these are precisely some of 2555 01:30:28,229 --> 01:30:24,880 the questions we have to ask ourselves 2556 01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:28,239 uh from a from a uh both a medical and a 2557 01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:30,719 biological perspective 2558 01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,320 yeah it's gonna be an interesting next 2559 01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:34,320 five to ten years when we encounter some 2560 01:30:37,750 --> 01:30:35,760 of those questions and try to answer 2561 01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,760 them um i know we're getting close to 2562 01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:39,199 our time 2563 01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:41,760 uh you're aware of the bob fish uh bob 2564 01:30:45,270 --> 01:30:43,760 fish wikileaks emails he wrote to john 2565 01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:45,280 bodessa and he said he spoke with 2566 01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:46,480 somebody 2567 01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:48,960 in the top secret sei uh cafeteria 2568 01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:50,400 whoever was in there had a top secret 2569 01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:52,960 sei clearance and he said that this one 2570 01:30:57,189 --> 01:30:55,199 gentleman who was a pilot uh he had 2571 01:30:59,430 --> 01:30:57,199 worked for blue book and he said that 2572 01:31:02,390 --> 01:30:59,440 they were track ufos coming out of the 2573 01:31:04,149 --> 01:31:02,400 water on the east coast of florida and 2574 01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:04,159 they knew exactly where they would go in 2575 01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:06,080 and out and they knew exactly what the 2576 01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:08,320 frequency was so as soon as they saw 2577 01:31:11,590 --> 01:31:09,920 that frequency they knew that's what it 2578 01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:11,600 was um are you aware of that at all and 2579 01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:12,800 he's like there's going to be film of 2580 01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:15,040 that stuff out there we know exactly 2581 01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:16,400 in and out 2582 01:31:20,709 --> 01:31:18,800 i i i can't talk about that 2583 01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:20,719 okay 2584 01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,639 we have five minutes left i appreciate 2585 01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:24,960 you taking as much time as you did uh as 2586 01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:26,719 much time as you have 2587 01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:27,600 um 2588 01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:29,520 joe this is really helpful and and i 2589 01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:31,679 really appreciate your your audience and 2590 01:31:35,110 --> 01:31:32,960 all these thoughtful questions they're 2591 01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:35,120 great questions um you know for anybody 2592 01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:36,159 out there who thinks that you're giving 2593 01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:37,920 me softball questions 2594 01:31:41,590 --> 01:31:39,920 um you know obviously i get accused of 2595 01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:41,600 that a lot oh people only ask me easy 2596 01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:42,639 questions you know these aren't easy 2597 01:31:47,510 --> 01:31:45,120 questions get your ass up here and and 2598 01:31:48,870 --> 01:31:47,520 and walk that line and you know between 2599 01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:48,880 your non-disclosure agreement and going 2600 01:31:52,790 --> 01:31:50,400 to jail and you'll see it's really not 2601 01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:52,800 that easy so i want to thank you joe and 2602 01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:54,400 your audience so far for for great 2603 01:31:56,790 --> 01:31:55,360 questions 2604 01:31:57,990 --> 01:31:56,800 and i don't really if somebody's like 2605 01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:58,000 make sure you ask glue the tough 2606 01:32:02,229 --> 01:32:00,480 questions i'm like i don't really have i 2607 01:32:04,149 --> 01:32:02,239 mean my toughest question was the 2608 01:32:06,470 --> 01:32:04,159 unidentified thing and 2609 01:32:08,709 --> 01:32:06,480 people ask about your your that's one 2610 01:32:10,229 --> 01:32:08,719 tough question like atip 2611 01:32:11,910 --> 01:32:10,239 did they have a budget or not but is 2612 01:32:13,510 --> 01:32:11,920 that will that be and without expanding 2613 01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:13,520 i have one more question 2614 01:32:16,229 --> 01:32:15,040 will that be in the book about the 2615 01:32:19,030 --> 01:32:16,239 budget or is that something you'll never 2616 01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:19,040 be able to talk about yeah like how much 2617 01:32:22,709 --> 01:32:20,880 you know where it came from 2618 01:32:24,550 --> 01:32:22,719 yeah okay yeah we're going to talk about 2619 01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:24,560 that absolutely i'll wait for the book 2620 01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:26,960 so condorman says you know you've talked 2621 01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:29,199 about different shapes spheres saucers 2622 01:32:33,270 --> 01:32:31,360 cigars tic tacs triangles and how some 2623 01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:33,280 of them might come together to form a 2624 01:32:36,790 --> 01:32:35,280 craft he says do you think it's the 2625 01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:36,800 they're the same tech with different 2626 01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:37,840 purposes 2627 01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:40,080 or missions or could they be belong to 2628 01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:42,080 different civilizations 2629 01:32:45,430 --> 01:32:44,320 i think the science is the same 2630 01:32:47,430 --> 01:32:45,440 um 2631 01:32:49,270 --> 01:32:47,440 the car might look different but but the 2632 01:32:51,189 --> 01:32:49,280 basic fundamental principles of 2633 01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:51,199 propulsion are the same 2634 01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:53,360 that would be my and again i'm i'm going 2635 01:32:57,990 --> 01:32:55,679 on a limb here by by giving you my my 2636 01:33:00,070 --> 01:32:58,000 opinion but it is an informed opinion i 2637 01:33:01,510 --> 01:33:00,080 i think it's i think it's the 2638 01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:01,520 fundamental principles are the same 2639 01:33:05,910 --> 01:33:04,000 because the observables are the same the 2640 01:33:07,669 --> 01:33:05,920 performance characteristics are the same 2641 01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:07,679 they seem to fall within the same 2642 01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:09,440 parameters or envelope performance 2643 01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:12,880 envelope if you will and so that's why 2644 01:33:16,629 --> 01:33:15,600 we make that deduction um it's it's just 2645 01:33:18,149 --> 01:33:16,639 it's just 2646 01:33:19,590 --> 01:33:18,159 the way we we look at things from an 2647 01:33:21,590 --> 01:33:19,600 intelligence perspective it's not just 2648 01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:21,600 hey lou feels this way you know that's 2649 01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:23,920 not at all it's it's looking at things 2650 01:33:28,709 --> 01:33:26,719 from a from an analytic perspective um 2651 01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:28,719 and logically and comparing and 2652 01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:31,199 contrasting 2653 01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:32,880 you've said that we have 2654 01:33:36,629 --> 01:33:34,639 photos of 2655 01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:36,639 what appear to be occupants would that 2656 01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:39,040 be something briefed to congress or no i 2657 01:33:43,990 --> 01:33:41,920 i i didn't say we have 2658 01:33:46,790 --> 01:33:44,000 of i didn't know not of individuals what 2659 01:33:47,910 --> 01:33:46,800 i said was yeah so so we have people say 2660 01:33:50,149 --> 01:33:47,920 can you see 2661 01:33:52,149 --> 01:33:50,159 something inside and what i said was 2662 01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:52,159 that there seems to be some photographic 2663 01:33:56,470 --> 01:33:54,480 where you can you can that that's true 2664 01:33:58,629 --> 01:33:56,480 it didn't say occupants necessarily it 2665 01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:58,639 was it was see inside which i was 2666 01:34:02,229 --> 01:34:00,880 referring to i want to be very careful 2667 01:34:03,590 --> 01:34:02,239 because i think some people said oh yeah 2668 01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:03,600 there's some photograph where you know 2669 01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:05,440 loose using to that's not the case at 2670 01:34:09,030 --> 01:34:06,400 all that's not at all what i was 2671 01:34:12,470 --> 01:34:10,870 would that kind of evidence be briefed 2672 01:34:15,669 --> 01:34:12,480 to congress 2673 01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:19,910 i'll i'll let them answer that okay 2674 01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:22,320 anything else lou that i have not 2675 01:34:28,550 --> 01:34:25,520 covered um the book you talked about is 2676 01:34:30,550 --> 01:34:28,560 the book and so will the book cover 2677 01:34:32,229 --> 01:34:30,560 you know how the program ran how things 2678 01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:32,239 came about and the phenomena is it going 2679 01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:34,719 to be both ends not just 2680 01:34:41,830 --> 01:34:38,080 it's it's going to be it's going to it's 2681 01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:41,840 my intent is it for it to to allay 2682 01:34:45,669 --> 01:34:43,679 most of the questions if not all the 2683 01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:45,679 questions that people have the who when 2684 01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:47,679 where how why who was involved why were 2685 01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:49,119 we involved whether we see right that 2686 01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:50,960 kind of stuff of course i still have to 2687 01:34:54,629 --> 01:34:52,239 go through a 2688 01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:54,639 a declassification review process for 2689 01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:56,880 the book that's that's law i have to do 2690 01:35:01,030 --> 01:34:59,040 that because i hold a security clearance 2691 01:35:04,629 --> 01:35:01,040 and the information is about a us 2692 01:35:08,310 --> 01:35:06,470 you're you know the system well enough 2693 01:35:10,070 --> 01:35:08,320 are you expecting it to be chopped you 2694 01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:10,080 know edited by you know because you know 2695 01:35:12,950 --> 01:35:11,280 it has to go through dobson is that how 2696 01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,960 it has to go through 2697 01:35:16,629 --> 01:35:14,960 yep that's not up to me 2698 01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:16,639 to dobster 2699 01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:18,320 and then you can sell the dvd edition of 2700 01:35:23,350 --> 01:35:21,600 what was kept out on dobson right 2701 01:35:27,910 --> 01:35:23,360 no 2702 01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:27,920 how much how long are you are in the 2703 01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:29,360 book how much further do you have to 2704 01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:30,719 finish it 2705 01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:33,360 um i'm pretty well down the road on it 2706 01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:35,360 um i don't want to go again i'd rather 2707 01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:36,639 rather 2708 01:35:42,580 --> 01:35:40,239 um under promise and over deliver how 2709 01:35:43,830 --> 01:35:42,590 about that yeah sounds great and um 2710 01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:43,840 [Music] 2711 01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:45,360 we're good and 2712 01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:47,840 i appreciate it all the time you know 90 2713 01:35:51,189 --> 01:35:49,199 minutes it was great thank you i was 2714 01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:51,199 nervous he's very good it went well 2715 01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:52,880 yeah why are you nervous i mean i mean 2716 01:35:56,229 --> 01:35:53,920 everybody who 2717 01:35:58,070 --> 01:35:56,239 who knows me knows that i'm not the guy 2718 01:36:00,149 --> 01:35:58,080 to be nervous with i'm literally like 2719 01:36:01,430 --> 01:36:00,159 your neighbor you know grab a beer let's 2720 01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:01,440 talk um 2721 01:36:04,229 --> 01:36:02,719 you know for the record and and 2722 01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:04,239 hopefully you can substantiate this i 2723 01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:05,679 never want anybody to give me their 2724 01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:07,520 questions up front i don't want to know 2725 01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:09,520 it's not a condition of of of being 2726 01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:10,400 interviewed 2727 01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:13,600 anybody 2728 01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:16,000 uh who who is fair and objective i don't 2729 01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:17,760 give a if you agree with me or not 2730 01:36:21,109 --> 01:36:19,440 i'll i'll still talk to you and i've 2731 01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:21,119 done it i've kind of listed some just as 2732 01:36:24,149 --> 01:36:22,480 an example some of those people that i 2733 01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:24,159 already have who aren't necessarily 2734 01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:25,840 friendly to me but but 2735 01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:27,760 i've engaged in conversation now some of 2736 01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:28,560 them 2737 01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:30,880 are much much less friendly and some are 2738 01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:32,239 are you know 2739 01:36:36,070 --> 01:36:34,239 a little bit more objective but i'm 2740 01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:36,080 happy to talk to anybody 2741 01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,679 what i don't want to do is get into you 2742 01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:39,360 know drama for your mama where people 2743 01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:40,159 will 2744 01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:42,000 start bringing up 2745 01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:44,159 false accusations that are completely 2746 01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:46,320 unfounded um just for the sake of drama 2747 01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:47,920 i'm not interested in that if that's 2748 01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:49,440 what somebody wants to do then don't 2749 01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:51,040 please don't waste my time and 2750 01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:53,040 don't waste your time but if you want to 2751 01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:55,119 have an honest conversation i've always 2752 01:36:58,790 --> 01:36:56,719 tried to make myself available as much 2753 01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:58,800 as possible and you know 2754 01:37:04,310 --> 01:36:59,760 hopefully 2755 01:37:06,149 --> 01:37:04,320 yeah you're one of the most available 2756 01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:06,159 people in this field so and people 2757 01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:08,880 complain about it too bad um 2758 01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:10,560 i like the beard i haven't shaved in 2759 01:37:13,750 --> 01:37:12,000 three weeks so this is the kind of beard 2760 01:37:15,770 --> 01:37:13,760 i can grow 2761 01:37:17,510 --> 01:37:15,780 you know i'm the opposite i can uh 2762 01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:17,520 [Laughter] 2763 01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,000 i can shave in the morning and uh if i 2764 01:37:23,430 --> 01:37:21,920 go lift weights out of the in the in the 2765 01:37:25,750 --> 01:37:23,440 garage out here i'll have like a full 2766 01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:25,760 beard by by 12. it's um it's i think 2767 01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:27,199 it's a latin thing i don't know you're 2768 01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:29,360 sicilian right so italian you speak i 2769 01:37:33,910 --> 01:37:30,880 don't know what happened 2770 01:37:35,030 --> 01:37:33,920 do you speak italian italiano no and my 2771 01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:35,040 grandmother used to speak a little 2772 01:37:38,390 --> 01:37:36,719 sicilian and i took italian in college 2773 01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:38,400 but i can't speak it 2774 01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,440 okay 2775 01:37:42,709 --> 01:37:41,280 and well one of these days 2776 01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:42,719 one of these days uh you're like a 2777 01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:44,080 12-hour drive for me i think i'll have 2778 01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:49,750 it's incredible it's you know it's a 2779 01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:51,119 state that we tell people doesn't really 2780 01:37:55,669 --> 01:37:53,600 exist so people don't come here 2781 01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:55,679 because it's it's really one of the the 2782 01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:56,800 last uh 2783 01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:00,159 vestiges of uh of the uh the great west 2784 01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:02,400 of of america the the spirit here is 2785 01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:05,440 incredible uh fiercely independent uh 2786 01:38:11,109 --> 01:38:08,000 people here um the name of the game here 2787 01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:11,119 is is is hard work um everybody here is 2788 01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:13,600 equal if you if you work hard you get 2789 01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,320 respect um there is no self-entitlement 2790 01:38:21,590 --> 01:38:18,480 here um no one cares what you do for a 2791 01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:21,600 living you're more judged on on uh how 2792 01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:22,480 how 2793 01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:24,639 what type of truck you drive 2794 01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:26,159 you know do you drive a ford or a chevy 2795 01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:27,199 or 2796 01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:30,719 it's uh it's great people out here 2797 01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:33,360 actually we have a we have more cows 2798 01:38:38,790 --> 01:38:35,600 almost twice as many cows as we have 2799 01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:38,800 people in the state um yeah it's uh 2800 01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:40,880 it's uh it's kind of nice you know if 2801 01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:42,480 you want to get away from the 2802 01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:44,480 from the craziness of the big big urban 2803 01:38:47,830 --> 01:38:46,639 areas um my wife and i and my children 2804 01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:47,840 have lived all over the world from 2805 01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:49,280 different places and 2806 01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:51,040 uh you know been in big major urban 2807 01:38:55,109 --> 01:38:53,440 areas before and so we prefer we prefer 2808 01:38:58,950 --> 01:38:55,119 kind of 2809 01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:58,960 ways 2810 01:39:02,149 --> 01:39:00,719 sounds great and me one day i would love 2811 01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:02,159 to get up there and thank you again and 2812 01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,960 uh 2813 01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:04,800 see you next time yeah keep doing what 2814 01:39:08,229 --> 01:39:06,480 you're doing you got a chance 2815 01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:08,239 thank you and thank you for what you're 2816 01:39:11,830 --> 01:39:09,920 doing and again big thank you to your 2817 01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:11,840 your your incredible audience thank you 2818 01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:12,880 for what they're doing because 2819 01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:14,560 ultimately ultimately at the end of the 2820 01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:16,239 day they're the reasons why we're having 2821 01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:18,719 this conversation so so humbly thank you 2822 01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:20,400 for you all for for what you're doing 2823 01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:22,480 and please please keep it up 2824 01:39:31,030 --> 01:39:24,800 all right well take care take care 2825 01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:33,830 thank you i'm just seeing the um 2826 01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:36,080 the super chat donations thanks guys if 2827 01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:37,520 you guys want to ask questions i don't 2828 01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:39,440 think i missed i'm sure i missed 2829 01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:40,960 something but 2830 01:39:44,470 --> 01:39:43,360 lou is great um 2831 01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:44,480 there are some questions there's lots of 2832 01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:46,159 questions i had but i'm like nah that's 2833 01:39:51,109 --> 01:39:48,960 not good that's not good um 2834 01:39:52,149 --> 01:39:51,119 if you guys have any questions 2835 01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:52,159 i 2836 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:03,830 thanks guys um 2837 01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:05,189 i don't think there's any big questions 2838 01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:06,560 i left out i'll have to go over my 2839 01:40:10,229 --> 01:40:08,330 questions and look um 2840 01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,239 [Music] 2841 01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:12,239 moderators for what i didn't i wasn't 2842 01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:13,760 paying attention at all to the chat 2843 01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,280 sorry it's like i'm trying to go through 2844 01:40:18,300 --> 01:40:17,840 my questions and also listen to him 2845 01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:18,310 um 2846 01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,679 [Music] 2847 01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:21,600 and also keep an eye on the time you 2848 01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:22,880 know because if i thought oh that's one 2849 01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:24,400 question i didn't ask about holloman 2850 01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:25,679 damn it 2851 01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:27,760 holloman i wanted to get a no comment on 2852 01:40:30,870 --> 01:40:29,280 holloman because i have a source who 2853 01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:30,880 told me holloman did happen so there was 2854 01:40:34,629 --> 01:40:32,719 a landing of a craft at holloman air 2855 01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:34,639 force base 2856 01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:37,920 what happened detail-wise i don't know 2857 01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:40,560 but that's that's what i was heard 2858 01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:42,320 uh yeah i don't know if you told my goof 2859 01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:44,880 on that's not gonna happen 2860 01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:46,480 somebody else can transcribe the 2861 01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:47,760 interview 2862 01:40:58,390 --> 01:40:56,550 i think the best interesting question uh 2863 01:40:59,669 --> 01:40:58,400 he answered is talking about 2864 01:41:01,030 --> 01:40:59,679 well some people don't care about the 2865 01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:01,040 hitchhiker effect but he's gonna write 2866 01:41:03,750 --> 01:41:02,639 about that his own experiences in his 2867 01:41:04,550 --> 01:41:03,760 book which i didn't know he was going to 2868 01:41:06,229 --> 01:41:04,560 get 2869 01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:06,239 that detailed 2870 01:41:10,870 --> 01:41:08,560 um 2871 01:41:11,830 --> 01:41:10,880 yeah i'll definitely have him back ida 2872 01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:11,840 um 2873 01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:17,109 he said my favorite 2874 01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:20,239 song hemispheres perhaps oh his favorite 2875 01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:21,600 rush song i wanted to ask him his 2876 01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:23,440 favorite music 2877 01:41:34,870 --> 01:41:31,510 i know i know you gotta go you gotta go 2878 01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,470 he was so quiet he was so quiet 2879 01:41:43,669 --> 01:41:40,560 you're a good boy 2880 01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:43,679 we talked treat you like a human 2881 01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:54,470 let's see i will stay he's got to go to 2882 01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:00,390 i'm sorry it's hard to keep up with the 2883 01:42:04,159 --> 01:42:08,550 the puppy is 10. 2884 01:42:13,430 --> 01:42:10,390 thanks gabby 2885 01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:13,440 i thought it went well lou was great um 2886 01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,880 there weren't too many questions he just 2887 01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:16,639 did not want to answer except the one 2888 01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:19,040 about the east coast off of florida and 2889 01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:20,960 bob fish where they were tracking ufos 2890 01:42:24,870 --> 01:42:23,040 going in and out of the water i mean 2891 01:42:26,229 --> 01:42:24,880 if they have film of that i mean it's 2892 01:42:27,910 --> 01:42:26,239 clear as day 2893 01:42:29,990 --> 01:42:27,920 we know where they are 2894 01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:30,000 you know i guess we'll leave them alone 2895 01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:30,880 we don't 2896 01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:33,840 them down as they go in and out of the 2897 01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:36,480 water but that's a big detail yeah lou 2898 01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:42,310 he's got horrendous breath it's 2899 01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:43,840 unbelievable 2900 01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:51,430 say hi cook hi say hi 2901 01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:53,430 you don't like your haircut 2902 01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:58,709 blue has a nice microphone i need a 2903 01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:00,880 better setup i mean i can't have this 2904 01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,960 set up all the time so i have to 2905 01:43:07,189 --> 01:43:04,320 to uh 2906 01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:07,199 clean and move stuff out of the way 2907 01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:08,239 but 2908 01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:10,000 this place is expensive enough vegas 2909 01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:16,470 somebody wants me to ask 2910 01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:19,760 if you guys have any questions for me 2911 01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:21,280 go ahead i mean 2912 01:43:25,750 --> 01:43:24,000 i'm not lou but 2913 01:43:27,750 --> 01:43:25,760 i would have to wait to interview lou it 2914 01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:27,760 wasn't long it was me not asking a 2915 01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:29,520 question i was keeping my distance for a 2916 01:43:33,189 --> 01:43:30,719 while 2917 01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:33,199 um and then i i reached out to his wife 2918 01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:34,800 i reached out to him 2919 01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,360 on twitter and then he told me to email 2920 01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:39,760 his wife and a couple of weeks ago i 2921 01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:40,639 think 2922 01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,400 gave me a couple of dates 2923 01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:43,760 my next interview is going to be with 2924 01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:47,040 paul eno i want to interview him 2925 01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:48,800 yeah ross is the reason i i really 2926 01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:50,159 focused on 2927 01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:51,679 bob fish and then i wrote to bob fish 2928 01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:52,880 and wrote a whole blog about our 2929 01:43:55,050 --> 01:43:54,719 exchanges back and forth 2930 01:43:57,669 --> 01:43:55,060 um 2931 01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:57,679 [Music] 2932 01:44:01,430 --> 01:44:00,080 or what was i saying about oh my paul 2933 01:44:02,470 --> 01:44:01,440 eno i want to interview him hopefully 2934 01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:02,480 not too long he's the one that 2935 01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:03,920 investigates poltergeist case that 2936 01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:05,679 thinks we're dealing with uh 2937 01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,119 parasites 2938 01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,600 where he actually felt a bone structure 2939 01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:11,440 on these whatever they are it was in a 2940 01:44:16,709 --> 01:44:14,080 poltergeist case and um he also had 2941 01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:16,719 exorcist possession cases where the 2942 01:44:20,149 --> 01:44:18,639 people who were allegedly possessed had 2943 01:44:21,270 --> 01:44:20,159 abduction type experiences but the 2944 01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:21,280 priest didn't want to go there he 2945 01:44:25,830 --> 01:44:23,119 thought it was nonsense so there may be 2946 01:44:28,310 --> 01:44:26,709 oh 2947 01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:28,320 and 2948 01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:30,159 did eric davis brief the canadians i 2949 01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:32,880 know others as far as i know no 2950 01:44:36,550 --> 01:44:34,880 all i know is about the senate and 2951 01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:36,560 select intelligence committee the center 2952 01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:38,320 armed services committee 2953 01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:41,119 um and various dod agencies eric is so 2954 01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:42,159 hard to 2955 01:44:45,030 --> 01:44:43,840 to get a hold of i mean not get a hold 2956 01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:45,040 of him but he's just so busy i don't 2957 01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:47,199 really get to talk to him very much 2958 01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:49,040 on facebook messenger i want to hear 2959 01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:50,719 more about holland too i should have i 2960 01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,840 don't think lou would have been able to 2961 01:44:55,510 --> 01:44:53,199 expand about that but i think my 2962 01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:55,520 favorite response was me asking 2963 01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:55,890 um 2964 01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:57,679 [Music] 2965 01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,760 if he's as confident about other 2966 01:45:02,790 --> 01:45:01,679 similar incidents as roswell as he is 2967 01:45:07,350 --> 01:45:02,800 about roswell because he said he 2968 01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:09,270 if lew was given immunity from his india 2969 01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:10,639 in a congressional hearing could he 2970 01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:12,880 testify aggressive tribals and bodies 2971 01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:14,880 i'm sure he could i mean whatever his 2972 01:45:17,669 --> 01:45:16,320 knowledge is i'm not sure if he has 2973 01:45:19,750 --> 01:45:17,679 first-hand knowledge or if he's been 2974 01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:19,760 shown pictures or if he's been to the 2975 01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:21,440 actual site where they supposedly have a 2976 01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:22,560 craft which 2977 01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:24,800 stephen greer said and and then danny 2978 01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:27,360 sheehan had to deflect all of that 2979 01:45:31,750 --> 01:45:29,280 um 2980 01:45:33,430 --> 01:45:31,760 increasing mood topics for lou well if 2981 01:45:35,030 --> 01:45:33,440 lou is going to talk about 2982 01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:35,040 his experiences that are similar to 2983 01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:36,480 skinwalker and it's going to be in the 2984 01:45:39,189 --> 01:45:37,520 book 2985 01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:39,199 then i think the woo is going to be wide 2986 01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:41,280 open i mean what is that i still don't 2987 01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:42,320 know 2988 01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:46,239 connection between poltergeist and ufos 2989 01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:48,080 but there is a connection it's obvious i 2990 01:45:51,910 --> 01:45:50,480 mean which i didn't even know until two 2991 01:45:54,310 --> 01:45:51,920 years ago when eric davis mentioned it 2992 01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,320 on coast to coast how did i miss that uh 2993 01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:55,840 you know it's like 2994 01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:57,360 you know now i'm starting when i go on 2995 01:46:00,470 --> 01:45:58,639 youtube the first thing i try to find 2996 01:46:03,270 --> 01:46:00,480 something new on that and 2997 01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:03,280 it's always new for me it's like um did 2998 01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:05,440 i ask david's question yes i did ask 2999 01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:07,119 david's question 3000 01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:08,480 yeah david if i had if you have 3001 01:46:13,030 --> 01:46:10,639 unlimited time i would follow up on his 3002 01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:13,040 answers i i hate him answering and then 3003 01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:14,800 me jumping to the next question but if i 3004 01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:15,920 follow up 3005 01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:17,679 and he goes on for too long then i'm 3006 01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:18,960 going to miss on another question so you 3007 01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:20,800 got to kind of balance it out 3008 01:46:23,910 --> 01:46:21,760 um 3009 01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:23,920 and i interrupted him one time hopefully 3010 01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,800 they can cut off information um i always 3011 01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:28,400 get on people's case when they interrupt 3012 01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:29,760 lou or somebody and i might have done 3013 01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:35,830 thanks david um would i interview a real 3014 01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:38,639 life exorcist yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah 3015 01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:40,960 um the guy paul you know worked with the 3016 01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:46,070 the people lorraine and 3017 01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:47,679 [Music] 3018 01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:49,520 who's that guy ed warren they believe 3019 01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,600 it's demons and and paulino does not 3020 01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:54,400 think it's demons um yeah i didn't 3021 01:46:58,629 --> 01:46:57,040 interrupt the little except once 3022 01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,639 um and i did not want it i didn't want 3023 01:47:02,149 --> 01:47:00,480 to get into the as soon as he said we 3024 01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:02,159 could talk about 2019 but there's some 3025 01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:04,159 more there's some more so much more 3026 01:47:07,910 --> 01:47:05,840 recent important incidents so it's like 3027 01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,920 yeah it seems like it's gonna be 3028 01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:10,000 overwhelming in the next couple of years 3029 01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:11,040 uh 3030 01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:12,239 and like and like he said if we're 3031 01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:13,920 talking about bodies five years from now 3032 01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:15,920 i'm gonna be really happy um and i know 3033 01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:17,840 it's five years but 3034 01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:19,760 maybe it'll happen faster the fact that 3035 01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:21,520 we even have that question even bring it 3036 01:47:25,350 --> 01:47:23,600 up um 3037 01:47:30,070 --> 01:47:25,360 i don't know if my parasitology question 3038 01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:31,109 um 3039 01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:33,119 yeah i don't think lou being in viral i 3040 01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:34,320 don't know if that had anything to do 3041 01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:37,119 with him being in atip i know they 3042 01:47:41,189 --> 01:47:38,320 they 3043 01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:41,199 choose 3044 01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:43,840 counter intel folks and atip also he 3045 01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:46,159 shows him as a counterin intel folk 3046 01:47:49,270 --> 01:47:48,239 person so i'm not sure what the reason 3047 01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:49,280 is for that 3048 01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:50,800 one of my questions that was down on my 3049 01:47:59,830 --> 01:47:58,390 he's on the academy i'm sure lou is 3050 01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:59,840 working as a consultant i'm sure the 3051 01:48:01,300 --> 01:48:00,960 government 3052 01:48:03,030 --> 01:48:01,310 um 3053 01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:03,040 [Music] 3054 01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:08,790 petting a dog on my lap doesn't look 3055 01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:10,719 good for the people just joining too bad 3056 01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:12,880 right cook too bad at least i'm not 3057 01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:15,440 jumping through a portal with my cat 3058 01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:16,480 i don't know if you guys have ever seen 3059 01:48:27,590 --> 01:48:25,590 yeah james did a great job i have to 3060 01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:27,600 listen again i think i listen there's so 3061 01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:30,080 many interviews with lou it's like 3062 01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:32,000 if i had if i hit the lottery i would 3063 01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:34,320 hire somebody to go and transcribe every 3064 01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:35,679 one of his interviews i can't do it 3065 01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:36,960 myself i mean there are people i've 3066 01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:38,639 offered to help and i will 3067 01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:40,719 i will reach out to them but 3068 01:48:44,830 --> 01:48:42,400 lou didn't wear a cap 3069 01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:44,840 i requested no cat 3070 01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:48,639 blue thanks edward 3071 01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:49,010 um 3072 01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:52,000 [Music] 3073 01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:53,440 i appreciate that 3074 01:49:02,550 --> 01:49:01,270 i'm trying to think and i had i had 3075 01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:02,560 pictures but 3076 01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:04,320 i wonder if it would have worked see i i 3077 01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:06,639 had my my photos 3078 01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:10,400 oh that's what i didn't ask damn it 3079 01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:11,520 this is 3080 01:49:20,709 --> 01:49:18,560 one i didn't get to ask i wanted to get 3081 01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:20,719 a denial about this 3082 01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:22,960 oh that was the home depot i think i 3083 01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:24,239 don't know who made that it might have 3084 01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:25,760 been paul reddington because 3085 01:49:30,870 --> 01:49:28,159 lou says he goes to home depot all the 3086 01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,880 time so they'll make a statue outside of 3087 01:49:35,030 --> 01:49:32,800 lou and since somebody made the stat she 3088 01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:35,040 wanted to show them that um eric davis's 3089 01:49:38,390 --> 01:49:36,480 emails where he talked about briefing 3090 01:49:40,149 --> 01:49:38,400 senate committees that's what 3091 01:49:41,910 --> 01:49:40,159 john greenwald said i don't believe eric 3092 01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:41,920 davis briefed the belief brief to 3093 01:49:45,030 --> 01:49:43,119 anybody i'm 3094 01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:45,040 glad you addressed that 3095 01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:50,390 that was the uh 3096 01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,080 yeah it's funny how lou reacted to that 3097 01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:54,159 you know eric davis talked about landed 3098 01:49:57,750 --> 01:49:56,159 technology i wonder if eric got any 3099 01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:57,760 flack for that because he went further 3100 01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:04,149 did i did i get to the deck didn't there 3101 01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:05,760 i haven't coined 3102 01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:08,159 that and i'm behind 3103 01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:10,639 um i will though it's on my list this 3104 01:50:14,790 --> 01:50:12,800 week now that this is over i can relax a 3105 01:50:17,350 --> 01:50:14,800 little bit 3106 01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:17,360 lou is cookie he didn't turn into cookie 3107 01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,000 lou transported here through a portal 3108 01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,149 that's another thing i was getting you 3109 01:50:29,430 --> 01:50:26,480 know i think that's some of how lou gets 3110 01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:29,440 his information about roswell 3111 01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:32,159 let's get rid of this stupid me 3112 01:50:33,500 --> 01:50:33,199 there we go 3113 01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:33,510 um 3114 01:50:37,589 --> 01:50:35,280 [Music] 3115 01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:37,599 so there's independent interviews same 3116 01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:40,239 way freeman did and i think eric davis 3117 01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:41,679 probably too eric davis has a strong 3118 01:50:48,870 --> 01:50:47,589 um i wanted to show you 3119 01:50:50,629 --> 01:50:48,880 that's how i first heard about the 3120 01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:50,639 poltergeist phenomena i think danny 3121 01:50:59,350 --> 01:50:57,189 uh that was eric davis's theory to 3122 01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:59,360 stephen greenstreet talking about 3123 01:51:02,790 --> 01:51:01,040 the fact is if there and i always i 3124 01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,800 forget that if if they're traveling 3125 01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:04,239 through dimensions then they've got a 3126 01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:05,679 home somewhere doesn't mean it's here 3127 01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:06,880 though it could be somewhere else but it 3128 01:51:12,629 --> 01:51:08,719 could be on earth and they could be 3129 01:51:15,589 --> 01:51:14,149 um 3130 01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:15,599 that's another thing 3131 01:51:19,589 --> 01:51:17,360 you know i know lou said he understands 3132 01:51:21,030 --> 01:51:19,599 the secrecy eric was like in 2000 eric 3133 01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:21,040 was like eric davis said why the 3134 01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:22,960 excruciating level of secrecy on this 3135 01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:25,199 stuff what benefit does it serve the 3136 01:51:29,189 --> 01:51:26,960 taxpayer the congress the president 3137 01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:29,199 national security science and human 3138 01:51:33,589 --> 01:51:31,199 knowledge to keep this so secret for so 3139 01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:33,599 long and that was in the alien autopsy 3140 01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:35,440 email and whether or not you know the 3141 01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:37,599 alien autopsy everybody believes it's 3142 01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:40,719 fake but kit green was also briefed on 3143 01:51:45,030 --> 01:51:42,960 you know before that that video came out 3144 01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:45,040 and what he saw was similar to the alien 3145 01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,800 autopsy of course of course he could 3146 01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,560 have they could have been feeding him 3147 01:51:52,229 --> 01:51:50,800 bogus briefings um 3148 01:51:55,910 --> 01:51:52,239 which he talked about i think he calls 3149 01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:57,510 so that's what i wanted to ask lou about 3150 01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:00,560 and i didn't um not that big of a deal a 3151 01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,960 source of mind who said various people 3152 01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:04,639 within the government in positions of 3153 01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,480 oversight i think most of you who have 3154 01:52:10,790 --> 01:52:08,320 seen this it basically explains how the 3155 01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:10,800 crash retrieval program was hidden 3156 01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,070 what's it called 3157 01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:20,480 a shell company and when you go to look 3158 01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:22,400 for the program you're not going to find 3159 01:52:27,990 --> 01:52:23,119 it 3160 01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:28,000 um so i wanted to ask him i mean he's 3161 01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:29,920 not he obviously can't answer that i 3162 01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:32,159 just wanted to say have you seen efforts 3163 01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:34,800 when other programs were hidden 3164 01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:36,080 using this 3165 01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:39,440 trick of a shell company but 3166 01:52:42,790 --> 01:52:42,000 anyway um that's another thing i was 3167 01:52:45,589 --> 01:52:42,800 gonna 3168 01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:45,599 on 3169 01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:50,000 gomez a couple of days ago he's like 3170 01:52:52,550 --> 01:52:51,280 people are talking about portals and 3171 01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:52,560 there's no evidence you know there's no 3172 01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:54,960 science but there is according to 3173 01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:56,639 eric davis wrote a whole paper on 3174 01:53:01,270 --> 01:52:58,800 wormholes and um 3175 01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:01,280 let me see if that's the last one 3176 01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,880 so 3177 01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:04,320 yeah let me pull up 3178 01:53:09,669 --> 01:53:06,639 the one i was gonna pull up 3179 01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:09,679 if i can pull it up right now 3180 01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:11,360 let me see 3181 01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:12,880 share 3182 01:53:17,830 --> 01:53:15,760 screen and 3183 01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:17,840 it was a 3184 01:53:21,669 --> 01:53:19,360 it was twitter 3185 01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:21,679 darn it i can't find it of course not 3186 01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:27,510 nope i can read it but it was eric davis 3187 01:53:32,149 --> 01:53:30,239 was talking about how 3188 01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:32,159 you know luke said there's no data for 3189 01:53:37,270 --> 01:53:34,320 portals but 3190 01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:37,280 eric davis said at the nids ranch 3191 01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:38,719 we had the experience where you know 3192 01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:40,080 that we saw a wormhole this is where 3193 01:53:47,030 --> 01:53:44,709 and they saw it was like a bigfoot 3194 01:53:49,030 --> 01:53:47,040 creature um and they also saw an opening 3195 01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,040 in the sky this is eric davis quote in 3196 01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:50,800 broad daylight with a triangular craft 3197 01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:52,560 that came through it he goes that's an 3198 01:53:55,910 --> 01:53:54,239 example of data that indicates there's a 3199 01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:55,920 wormhole involved 3200 01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:57,760 um he goes well that's an example he 3201 01:54:02,709 --> 01:54:00,960 goes i mean geometry tells 3202 01:54:04,629 --> 01:54:02,719 you what a wormhole looks like when it 3203 01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:04,639 intersects our space it appear it 3204 01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:06,960 appears as a very bright intense 3205 01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:08,400 intensely bright 3206 01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:09,679 thank you john 3207 01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:11,760 and intensely bright point of light and 3208 01:54:15,030 --> 01:54:13,440 then as the intersection gets larger and 3209 01:54:16,390 --> 01:54:15,040 larger it opens up and you begin to see 3210 01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:16,400 the whole 3211 01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:18,480 so basically eric davis is talking about 3212 01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:20,960 a wormhole which he wrote a paper about 3213 01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:22,800 um 3214 01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:24,719 and then 3215 01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:26,560 brandon fugle jumped in and said i agree 3216 01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:28,080 we've observed that phenomena on the 3217 01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:29,840 ranch with work you know supporting the 3218 01:54:33,350 --> 01:54:31,280 theory of wormholes and portals and i 3219 01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:33,360 was gonna get on loose case about that 3220 01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:35,440 saying there is science behind it but 3221 01:54:38,060 --> 01:54:37,760 whatever 3222 01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:38,070 um 3223 01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:51,109 i'll stay on for 10 more minutes 3224 01:54:54,709 --> 01:54:52,790 give me a break 3225 01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:54,719 my god 3226 01:54:59,589 --> 01:54:57,040 got a life 3227 01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:59,599 joe what was your favorite part of the 3228 01:55:02,470 --> 01:55:01,280 interview what answer were you blown oh 3229 01:55:05,230 --> 01:55:02,480 the favorite part is him saying that 3230 01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:05,240 he's just as he's just as um 3231 01:55:16,149 --> 01:55:15,109 you're in timeout v i'm sorry give me a 3232 01:55:18,790 --> 01:55:16,159 break 3233 01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:18,800 my favorite answer from lou was uh 3234 01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:21,199 when he said 3235 01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:23,199 he as 3236 01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:24,480 did he bring up i did not bring up 3237 01:55:30,550 --> 01:55:27,280 mutilations no i didn't you know 3238 01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:30,560 i purposely did not i mean 3239 01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:32,320 uh but my favorite answers is when he 3240 01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:33,920 said that there's going 3241 01:55:37,109 --> 01:55:34,960 his 3242 01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:37,119 he has 3243 01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:39,040 his opinion is just as strong about the 3244 01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,239 other similar incidences as roswell so 3245 01:55:46,149 --> 01:55:44,239 which i didn't expect him to give that 3246 01:55:47,430 --> 01:55:46,159 answer i was hoping for it but i thought 3247 01:55:48,390 --> 01:55:47,440 he'd say i really don't i can't talk 3248 01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:48,400 about it 3249 01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:50,000 um 3250 01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:51,920 but he said yeah you know and we have 3251 01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:53,520 eric davis and you saw his face eric 3252 01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:55,599 davis mentions landed craft i have a 3253 01:55:59,910 --> 01:55:57,679 source i that mentioned a landed craft 3254 01:56:01,350 --> 01:55:59,920 in kingman which has been written about 3255 01:56:02,709 --> 01:56:01,360 by other people 3256 01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:02,719 if we have landed craft that means we 3257 01:56:07,189 --> 01:56:04,560 have intact craft 3258 01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:09,189 yeah you know eric eric 3259 01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:11,040 lewis mentioned that eric davis cannot 3260 01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:13,520 lie which of course eric davis can lie 3261 01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:15,199 it's just it's but for the most part 3262 01:56:21,270 --> 01:56:17,599 eric is so brutally honest 3263 01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:23,589 people with clearances can't lie 3264 01:56:26,310 --> 01:56:25,280 messes up their review 3265 01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:26,320 well 3266 01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:28,650 eric davis eric davis said um 3267 01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:31,760 [Music] 3268 01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:33,270 if you you know ask somebody about a 3269 01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:35,679 certain special access program and 3270 01:56:38,470 --> 01:56:36,880 you don't have the right clearances 3271 01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:38,480 you're going to be lied to because 3272 01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:40,080 that's the rule so 3273 01:56:48,149 --> 01:56:41,440 of course that's different than lying 3274 01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:50,550 see this is way above my head when i 3275 01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,159 talk with when i do communicate with 3276 01:56:55,750 --> 01:56:54,480 eric i've only talked to him once but he 3277 01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:55,760 would not talk like that because i 3278 01:57:03,270 --> 01:56:56,800 wouldn't understand what the hell he's 3279 01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:04,870 well she's like someone who has 3280 01:57:08,629 --> 01:57:06,719 expressions 3281 01:57:11,669 --> 01:57:08,639 yeah i mean his answer about how he 3282 01:57:13,589 --> 01:57:11,679 would you know dissect bodies you know i 3283 01:57:15,430 --> 01:57:13,599 wasn't expecting that 3284 01:57:16,870 --> 01:57:15,440 um just trying to figure out where they 3285 01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:16,880 come from how do we figure out where 3286 01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:18,800 they come from even with dna that might 3287 01:57:27,270 --> 01:57:25,030 yeah i mean 3288 01:57:29,030 --> 01:57:27,280 that's just how he is he's if he has if 3289 01:57:30,390 --> 01:57:29,040 eric has a problem with me he will tell 3290 01:57:31,990 --> 01:57:30,400 me he will 3291 01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:32,000 i remember one time i pissed him off and 3292 01:57:38,149 --> 01:57:35,669 he said it he doesn't hide he doesn't 3293 01:57:39,430 --> 01:57:38,159 hold back he just speaks his mind um if 3294 01:57:40,310 --> 01:57:39,440 there's certain things he can't talk 3295 01:57:42,229 --> 01:57:40,320 about 3296 01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:42,239 he'll say so or he'll just remain silent 3297 01:57:48,149 --> 01:57:45,520 this is through messenger on facebook 3298 01:57:49,669 --> 01:57:48,159 yes you know i 3299 01:57:51,910 --> 01:57:49,679 i don't i didn't really want that was 3300 01:57:53,430 --> 01:57:51,920 new information about who that was and 3301 01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:53,440 i'll have to look about which he was 3302 01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:55,920 saying what's connected to dni 3303 01:57:59,669 --> 01:57:57,599 um hopefully that comes out because 3304 01:58:01,270 --> 01:57:59,679 otherwise it doesn't really mean much to 3305 01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:01,280 us it's great that there's progress and 3306 01:58:05,510 --> 01:58:03,599 lou mentioned it and acknowledges but 3307 01:58:07,750 --> 01:58:05,520 acknowledged it but we don't really know 3308 01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:07,760 what that's about 3309 01:58:18,070 --> 01:58:16,310 did he hint about it in other interviews 3310 01:58:18,830 --> 01:58:18,080 yeah it's possible he didn't i mentioned 3311 01:58:20,870 --> 01:58:18,840 he 3312 01:58:22,390 --> 01:58:20,880 did um 3313 01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:22,400 i want to hear about the 3314 01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:28,550 and that dog is digging a hole somewhere 3315 01:58:32,229 --> 01:58:30,719 i'm gonna have to get him in a second 3316 01:58:36,070 --> 01:58:32,239 listen to ufo addicts he says we're not 3317 01:58:39,669 --> 01:58:37,750 well i mean if we know that they're 3318 01:58:41,990 --> 01:58:39,679 coming in and out of the water at a 3319 01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:42,000 specific location then somebody knows a 3320 01:58:47,350 --> 01:58:44,320 hell of a lot more than what they can 3321 01:58:48,629 --> 01:58:47,360 say just imagine just as the years go on 3322 01:58:50,149 --> 01:58:48,639 as long as we're patient you're going to 3323 01:58:51,589 --> 01:58:50,159 get reward we're all going to get 3324 01:58:53,270 --> 01:58:51,599 rewarded with information that's going 3325 01:58:54,870 --> 01:58:53,280 to be mind-blowing 3326 01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:54,880 to us we're going to be like jumping up 3327 01:58:58,070 --> 01:58:56,000 and down 3328 01:59:00,310 --> 01:58:58,080 other people are going to be like 3329 01:59:02,149 --> 01:59:00,320 what the hell where that's why i was i 3330 01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:02,159 don't want to waste my time with him on 3331 01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:07,750 one of the things i think will come from 3332 01:59:12,310 --> 01:59:10,320 the masses realizing that ufos are real 3333 01:59:15,669 --> 01:59:12,320 and something is here 3334 01:59:18,310 --> 01:59:17,270 i was lied to all these years i mean 3335 01:59:19,990 --> 01:59:18,320 there were people that were talking 3336 01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:20,000 about this for years and i ignored it 3337 01:59:26,310 --> 01:59:23,280 and other people lied about it and 3338 01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:26,320 so i think they'll say what else will we 3339 01:59:29,750 --> 01:59:28,080 lie to about and that's when 3340 01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:29,760 people like me come in and say remote 3341 01:59:33,270 --> 01:59:31,520 viewing is legit don't believe when the 3342 01:59:36,229 --> 01:59:33,280 government said it didn't work and they 3343 01:59:37,830 --> 01:59:36,239 studied it for 20 years and it worked it 3344 01:59:39,510 --> 01:59:37,840 didn't work all the time but when it 3345 01:59:41,189 --> 01:59:39,520 worked it was amazing you know i wanted 3346 01:59:42,709 --> 01:59:41,199 to i mentioned remote viewing i don't 3347 01:59:44,070 --> 01:59:42,719 think lou doesn't really feel it doesn't 3348 01:59:45,990 --> 01:59:44,080 seem like he's comfortable talking about 3349 01:59:48,390 --> 01:59:46,000 it supposedly he was 3350 01:59:51,430 --> 01:59:48,400 trained in it and he has a remote 3351 01:59:54,070 --> 01:59:51,440 viewing history somehow 3352 01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:54,080 that is the story danny i drink water 3353 01:59:57,910 --> 01:59:56,159 but it's vodka so 3354 01:59:59,189 --> 01:59:57,920 i don't think i've ever tried i don't 3355 02:00:00,870 --> 01:59:59,199 think i've 3356 02:00:03,189 --> 02:00:00,880 drank vodka 3357 02:00:05,510 --> 02:00:03,199 anunnaki you know 3358 02:00:06,790 --> 02:00:05,520 i read sitchin and the whole anunnaki 3359 02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:06,800 stuff the problem is a lot of the 3360 02:00:10,310 --> 02:00:08,400 anunnaki a lot of the numbers in 3361 02:00:12,149 --> 02:00:10,320 sitchin's books are related to 3362 02:00:13,189 --> 02:00:12,159 procession i wonder if that's a story 3363 02:00:14,950 --> 02:00:13,199 being told just to get those 3364 02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:14,960 processional numbers in there because 3365 02:00:18,790 --> 02:00:16,320 procession might have to deal with 3366 02:00:21,350 --> 02:00:18,800 cyclical stuff that happens on this 3367 02:00:24,790 --> 02:00:23,350 yeah i don't think i would i don't know 3368 02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:24,800 if i would read too much into the 3369 02:00:28,390 --> 02:00:26,480 lizards as reptilians if you're like 3370 02:00:30,470 --> 02:00:28,400 you're but i mean 3371 02:00:31,990 --> 02:00:30,480 i was telling somebody the other day 3372 02:00:33,830 --> 02:00:32,000 people hate when i mention this person's 3373 02:00:36,310 --> 02:00:33,840 name but the first time i heard of 3374 02:00:38,149 --> 02:00:36,320 reptilians was 96 from this 97 out of 3375 02:00:39,990 --> 02:00:38,159 david ike lecture in florida there's 3376 02:00:42,070 --> 02:00:40,000 like 20 people there and somebody in the 3377 02:00:43,589 --> 02:00:42,080 audience got up and said i'm starting to 3378 02:00:45,189 --> 02:00:43,599 have these personal experiences with 3379 02:00:46,550 --> 02:00:45,199 these reptilian creatures and i had 3380 02:00:47,669 --> 02:00:46,560 never heard it before so that was the 3381 02:00:49,270 --> 02:00:47,679 first time 3382 02:00:51,990 --> 02:00:49,280 um but there there were reports of 3383 02:00:54,470 --> 02:00:52,000 reptilians before that which i did not i 3384 02:00:57,430 --> 02:00:54,480 stumbled upon recently 3385 02:01:00,870 --> 02:00:59,189 outside of the government trying to keep 3386 02:01:02,310 --> 02:01:00,880 this under wraps 3387 02:01:04,390 --> 02:01:02,320 i don't know if they're outside of the 3388 02:01:04,900 --> 02:01:04,400 government or just 3389 02:01:06,229 --> 02:01:04,910 um 3390 02:01:12,310 --> 02:01:06,239 [Music] 3391 02:01:16,629 --> 02:01:14,390 i don't know what people said against 3392 02:01:18,149 --> 02:01:16,639 lou i haven't been paying attention why 3393 02:01:19,830 --> 02:01:18,159 but why are you being negative i thought 3394 02:01:21,270 --> 02:01:19,840 the interview was good why do you have 3395 02:01:23,189 --> 02:01:21,280 to say anything about davis have you 3396 02:01:24,709 --> 02:01:23,199 ever have v have you ever spoken with 3397 02:01:26,629 --> 02:01:24,719 davis have you ever communicated with 3398 02:01:27,830 --> 02:01:26,639 them tell me share my share your 3399 02:01:32,550 --> 02:01:27,840 experiences with them that you've 3400 02:01:35,510 --> 02:01:34,070 i have them not watching the show 3401 02:01:36,950 --> 02:01:35,520 resident alien 3402 02:01:38,709 --> 02:01:36,960 by the way it's the first time out i've 3403 02:01:40,149 --> 02:01:38,719 given 3404 02:01:41,990 --> 02:01:40,159 david ike people hate him some people 3405 02:01:44,310 --> 02:01:42,000 think he's an anti-semite i have his 3406 02:01:45,510 --> 02:01:44,320 books my ex-wife has a lot of his books 3407 02:01:46,709 --> 02:01:45,520 people can say what they want there's 3408 02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:46,719 some information 3409 02:01:50,310 --> 02:01:48,320 that i like in there and there's also 3410 02:01:54,310 --> 02:01:50,320 lectures i've seen from him that it were 3411 02:01:56,310 --> 02:01:54,320 interesting nine hours nine hours 3412 02:02:02,229 --> 02:01:56,320 louis part of the viewing program yeah 3413 02:02:05,430 --> 02:02:03,910 i would love to hear more and i would 3414 02:02:06,550 --> 02:02:05,440 hope that's in his book if he's going to 3415 02:02:08,070 --> 02:02:06,560 talk about 3416 02:02:09,430 --> 02:02:08,080 hitchhiker type stuff i would hope that 3417 02:02:15,350 --> 02:02:09,440 his remote viewing stuff i could have 3418 02:02:18,390 --> 02:02:17,350 but so i think he's had real experiences 3419 02:02:20,070 --> 02:02:18,400 um 3420 02:02:21,510 --> 02:02:20,080 i just i'm not impressed by the videos 3421 02:02:23,109 --> 02:02:21,520 he's shown so far it doesn't mean 3422 02:02:25,030 --> 02:02:23,119 they're not anomalous it's just i'm not 3423 02:02:26,629 --> 02:02:25,040 impressed by any videos 3424 02:02:29,910 --> 02:02:26,639 um that's another thing i should ask lou 3425 02:02:31,830 --> 02:02:29,920 about you know are you positive the 3426 02:02:33,589 --> 02:02:31,840 gimbal is rotating but it's like there's 3427 02:02:35,189 --> 02:02:33,599 so much stuff going on now it's like i'm 3428 02:02:36,950 --> 02:02:35,199 hoping we don't ever have to talk about 3429 02:02:38,950 --> 02:02:36,960 gimbal again unless there's so much more 3430 02:02:40,790 --> 02:02:38,960 to that case that we need to know we 3431 02:02:43,109 --> 02:02:40,800 need more videos i mean i mean we've 3432 02:02:45,189 --> 02:02:43,119 been debating three videos for so long 3433 02:02:46,709 --> 02:02:45,199 and then the corbell videos it's like 3434 02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:46,719 but i think blood cells have had real 3435 02:02:50,229 --> 02:02:48,560 experiences um 3436 02:02:52,550 --> 02:02:50,239 i think that they're 3437 02:02:53,990 --> 02:02:52,560 saying it's angelic how how do you even 3438 02:02:55,270 --> 02:02:54,000 know something angelic how do you know 3439 02:02:57,910 --> 02:02:55,280 if something's not pretending to be 3440 02:03:02,470 --> 02:02:57,920 angelic how do you know it's not just 3441 02:03:04,950 --> 02:03:03,990 simple though i think they've had real 3442 02:03:09,270 --> 02:03:04,960 experiences i don't know if they're 3443 02:03:12,470 --> 02:03:11,589 i don't like being on camera um thank 3444 02:03:13,830 --> 02:03:12,480 you 3445 02:03:16,790 --> 02:03:13,840 i've always been behind the camera i've 3446 02:03:19,270 --> 02:03:16,800 been a camera operator 3447 02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:19,280 i like taking my time writing especially 3448 02:03:21,990 --> 02:03:21,280 especially if i make a mistake 3449 02:03:38,310 --> 02:03:22,000 i 3450 02:03:40,070 --> 02:03:38,320 competently 3451 02:03:43,030 --> 02:03:40,080 so i'd rather have a 3452 02:03:45,589 --> 02:03:43,040 blog where i can look back and google 3453 02:03:46,470 --> 02:03:45,599 stuff that i don't understand big words 3454 02:03:48,629 --> 02:03:46,480 there are times where i'm listening to 3455 02:03:51,189 --> 02:03:48,639 like catski not like catski 3456 02:03:52,790 --> 02:03:51,199 um jim semivan and he uses big words i'm 3457 02:03:54,310 --> 02:03:52,800 like oh i do it all the time i gotta go 3458 02:03:55,669 --> 02:03:54,320 google that word and i'll link to it i'm 3459 02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:55,679 like if i don't understand it there may 3460 02:03:57,830 --> 02:03:56,880 be some other people that might not 3461 02:03:59,430 --> 02:03:57,840 understand 3462 02:04:01,030 --> 02:03:59,440 interesting about reptilian anunnaki 3463 02:04:03,350 --> 02:04:01,040 theories is the intersection of hard and 3464 02:04:05,270 --> 02:04:03,360 soft science its material also exists in 3465 02:04:07,510 --> 02:04:05,280 them immaterial in my subjective 3466 02:04:08,830 --> 02:04:07,520 subjective experience maybe 3467 02:04:11,589 --> 02:04:08,840 if there are 3468 02:04:13,750 --> 02:04:11,599 reptilians maybe they are physical and 3469 02:04:20,229 --> 02:04:13,760 non-physical 3470 02:04:23,350 --> 02:04:21,650 i'll check it out um 3471 02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:23,360 [Music] 3472 02:04:26,470 --> 02:04:24,639 yeah 3473 02:04:29,109 --> 02:04:26,480 trust me if i mention ike there are 3474 02:04:32,629 --> 02:04:29,119 plenty of people who just tune me out i 3475 02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:34,149 too controversial but if there's 3476 02:04:37,750 --> 02:04:36,239 something good i i'll say one thing i 3477 02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:37,760 pulled a quote recently and i didn't 3478 02:04:41,270 --> 02:04:39,199 tell people who the quote was from and i 3479 02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:41,280 think it got like 125 likes that was 3480 02:04:45,669 --> 02:04:43,280 david ike so 3481 02:04:49,189 --> 02:04:45,679 better off to quote him and not not say 3482 02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:49,199 who it's from because people have a bias 3483 02:04:52,550 --> 02:04:50,639 i want to know about this upcoming 3484 02:04:56,870 --> 02:04:52,560 spielberg dock i don't really know about 3485 02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:58,550 yeah i mean i don't think bledsoe's 3486 02:05:03,109 --> 02:05:01,360 making money 3487 02:05:06,550 --> 02:05:03,119 unless he sells a show which i think 3488 02:05:09,910 --> 02:05:06,560 there's been rumors about that um 3489 02:05:13,620 --> 02:05:11,589 it's something that interviews more 3490 02:05:17,910 --> 02:05:13,630 coming more coming from um 3491 02:05:21,669 --> 02:05:20,310 no cheese on the moon i think david like 3492 02:05:23,030 --> 02:05:21,679 makes fun oh sorry i'm not supposed to 3493 02:05:24,870 --> 02:05:23,040 mention that name a friend of mine 3494 02:05:27,669 --> 02:05:24,880 always impersonates him and mentions 3495 02:05:33,030 --> 02:05:29,830 the moon the cheese certain people 3496 02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:33,040 believe that the moon is made of cheese 3497 02:05:36,870 --> 02:05:34,960 i need glasses the ai stuff has always 3498 02:05:38,470 --> 02:05:36,880 been vaporware how do you see the priors 3499 02:05:40,149 --> 02:05:38,480 training data for ufo ships when we 3500 02:05:41,990 --> 02:05:40,159 don't have verified pictures to train 3501 02:05:44,310 --> 02:05:42,000 the aea yeah 3502 02:05:46,390 --> 02:05:44,320 um maybe maybe at their level they do 3503 02:05:49,109 --> 02:05:46,400 have verified pictures so maybe that's 3504 02:05:51,340 --> 02:05:49,119 you know on a public level you're right 3505 02:05:56,870 --> 02:05:51,350 but maybe at the classified level um 3506 02:05:59,990 --> 02:05:58,629 i would love to interview melon i would 3507 02:06:03,510 --> 02:06:00,000 really have to prepare for that to get 3508 02:06:08,149 --> 02:06:03,520 something new on him 3509 02:06:11,750 --> 02:06:10,069 to melon 3510 02:06:22,310 --> 02:06:11,760 i should try to do one interview a week 3511 02:06:27,430 --> 02:06:24,229 yeah david i used to be a commentator 3512 02:06:30,229 --> 02:06:27,440 and a soccer player i think a goalie 3513 02:06:32,069 --> 02:06:30,239 lou did not give an eta on his book but 3514 02:06:37,270 --> 02:06:32,079 he said he was done with it 3515 02:06:42,870 --> 02:06:40,149 yeah lewis talked about galileo um 3516 02:06:44,709 --> 02:06:42,880 it wasn't on my list 3517 02:06:46,310 --> 02:06:44,719 semivan would be a really great 3518 02:06:47,510 --> 02:06:46,320 interview 3519 02:07:01,589 --> 02:06:47,520 i 3520 02:07:03,589 --> 02:07:01,599 out to 3521 02:07:05,430 --> 02:07:03,599 i have a friend who knows a lot of the 3522 02:07:07,910 --> 02:07:05,440 long michael vibe michael body knows a 3523 02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:07,920 lot of delong i would love to have him 3524 02:07:10,550 --> 02:07:08,880 um 3525 02:07:12,629 --> 02:07:10,560 oh shoot that's another question i 3526 02:07:15,430 --> 02:07:12,639 didn't get to ask lou 3527 02:07:17,589 --> 02:07:15,440 michael why had a question for me uh oh 3528 02:07:18,020 --> 02:07:17,599 damn it 3529 02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:18,030 um 3530 02:07:24,950 --> 02:07:22,460 dolan 3531 02:07:26,229 --> 02:07:24,960 [Music] 3532 02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:26,239 i did a really short interview with 3533 02:07:31,030 --> 02:07:28,880 richard dolan at the 3534 02:07:32,950 --> 02:07:31,040 ufo megacon in 3535 02:07:35,350 --> 02:07:32,960 laughlin earlier this year last year 3536 02:07:37,830 --> 02:07:35,360 last year well in the leslie i need to 3537 02:07:43,270 --> 02:07:37,840 i wonder what melinda thinks of lou's 3538 02:07:48,470 --> 02:07:46,870 i interviewed melinda in 96 maybe 2000 i 3539 02:07:50,390 --> 02:07:48,480 interviewed her need to interview her 3540 02:07:52,229 --> 02:07:50,400 again i also need to look at her denmark 3541 02:07:56,709 --> 02:07:52,239 entire presentation 3542 02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:59,270 semi-van may have consulted on nope that 3543 02:08:05,189 --> 02:08:00,880 when is that movie supposed to come out 3544 02:08:09,669 --> 02:08:06,950 semivan's interview on aliens and 3545 02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:09,679 artists is great that was part one part 3546 02:08:12,480 --> 02:08:17,830 hopefully soon 3547 02:08:23,669 --> 02:08:19,990 i need to look at 3548 02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:23,679 i've heard about it um andy 3549 02:08:26,530 --> 02:08:25,040 check it out i would like to interview 3550 02:08:27,830 --> 02:08:26,540 diana too um 3551 02:08:29,030 --> 02:08:27,840 [Music] 3552 02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:29,040 but it comes to a point where i hear 3553 02:08:33,030 --> 02:08:30,639 interviews i'm like it's like what else 3554 02:08:35,109 --> 02:08:33,040 can i add to this well lou i was able to 3555 02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:35,119 add some i mean it's hard he's done so 3556 02:08:38,440 --> 02:08:36,480 many interviews 3557 02:08:39,589 --> 02:08:38,450 i've reached out to gillibrand's um 3558 02:08:42,229 --> 02:08:39,599 [Music] 3559 02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:42,239 i need to try again i reached out 3560 02:08:47,430 --> 02:08:45,599 to her aid no response but it was on 3561 02:08:50,550 --> 02:08:47,440 twitter i need to do an email 3562 02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:50,560 eric weinstein yeah i don't know 3563 02:08:53,669 --> 02:08:52,480 i was annoyed the way he handled hal put 3564 02:08:56,390 --> 02:08:53,679 off 3565 02:09:00,870 --> 02:08:57,510 yeah you could definitely break new 3566 02:09:04,069 --> 02:09:02,149 that's why i'm going to interview paul 3567 02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:04,079 enos i just got to reach out to him 3568 02:09:07,350 --> 02:09:05,599 poltergeist and i want to push back on 3569 02:09:08,149 --> 02:09:07,360 some of his theories because he thinks 3570 02:09:10,550 --> 02:09:08,159 that 3571 02:09:12,629 --> 02:09:10,560 they start out by making little knocks 3572 02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:12,639 and scaring you then feeding off the 3573 02:09:16,470 --> 02:09:14,639 fear but then that's just like a seance 3574 02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:16,480 where there's no fear going on starts 3575 02:09:20,629 --> 02:09:18,800 off very basic and then the phenomena 3576 02:09:24,629 --> 02:09:20,639 increases as time goes on whatever that 3577 02:09:28,310 --> 02:09:26,709 yeah lou just said it it's going on as 3578 02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:28,320 far as last week 3579 02:09:32,149 --> 02:09:29,760 so it's like i wonder how good some of 3580 02:09:34,069 --> 02:09:32,159 these cases are i liked his answer 3581 02:09:36,550 --> 02:09:34,079 because he i don't think he did it he's 3582 02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:36,560 spoken about congress people 3583 02:09:41,109 --> 02:09:37,920 sharing their experiences with him 3584 02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:41,119 except on david marcel's uh case 3585 02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:42,960 um 3586 02:09:46,709 --> 02:09:44,880 i've tweeted the heck about archons for 3587 02:09:48,790 --> 02:09:46,719 a while um 3588 02:09:52,149 --> 02:09:48,800 when i was i forget who the author is 3589 02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:55,589 mishlov he would be a good interview 3590 02:09:58,390 --> 02:09:56,050 um 3591 02:10:01,350 --> 02:09:58,400 [Music] 3592 02:10:03,109 --> 02:10:01,360 see i know 3593 02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:03,119 people support 3594 02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:05,280 financially interviews more but i don't 3595 02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:07,440 like to interviews 3596 02:10:10,790 --> 02:10:09,679 like this but i will i'll do them not 3597 02:10:12,149 --> 02:10:10,800 for money 3598 02:10:15,109 --> 02:10:12,159 obviously i would be doing interviews 3599 02:10:16,870 --> 02:10:15,119 every day if that's all i cared about 3600 02:10:18,870 --> 02:10:16,880 i like twitter and transcripts even 3601 02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:18,880 though transcripts transcripts take 3602 02:10:21,290 --> 02:10:20,880 forever 3603 02:10:23,510 --> 02:10:21,300 um 3604 02:10:25,109 --> 02:10:23,520 [Music] 3605 02:10:27,669 --> 02:10:25,119 and i bring up money is because i do 3606 02:10:30,069 --> 02:10:27,679 this all day long and i just 3607 02:10:31,830 --> 02:10:30,079 have to make money i just have to i just 3608 02:10:34,390 --> 02:10:31,840 or get an or i'm trying to get a real 3609 02:10:36,149 --> 02:10:34,400 job but no so far nothing 3610 02:10:37,430 --> 02:10:36,159 i am applying for video jobs all over 3611 02:10:39,430 --> 02:10:37,440 the country 3612 02:10:41,109 --> 02:10:39,440 and whoever donated money i haven't 3613 02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:41,119 looked yet i saw a couple thank you very 3614 02:10:45,430 --> 02:10:43,040 much i did not look at the chat during 3615 02:10:46,550 --> 02:10:45,440 this during the interview 3616 02:10:47,830 --> 02:10:46,560 um 3617 02:10:49,109 --> 02:10:47,840 i have somebody who's offered to 3618 02:10:50,709 --> 02:10:49,119 transcribe i've had other people 3619 02:10:53,189 --> 02:10:50,719 transcribe i've had 3620 02:10:54,790 --> 02:10:53,199 like four people 3621 02:10:55,990 --> 02:10:54,800 but two of them one of them disappeared 3622 02:10:58,069 --> 02:10:56,000 recently the other one another one 3623 02:10:59,030 --> 02:10:58,079 disappeared two disappeared after saying 3624 02:10:59,990 --> 02:10:59,040 they would help i don't know what 3625 02:11:01,990 --> 02:11:00,000 happened 3626 02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:02,000 one i have to reach out to again now 3627 02:11:06,870 --> 02:11:04,560 when i transcribe i put it through 3628 02:11:09,030 --> 02:11:06,880 otter i take the mp3 i put it through 3629 02:11:11,830 --> 02:11:09,040 otter and it's fine it's great but it's 3630 02:11:14,470 --> 02:11:11,840 not even close to accurate as far as 3631 02:11:16,629 --> 02:11:14,480 overall accuracy it's really good 3632 02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:16,639 but doesn't put in the right 3633 02:11:19,910 --> 02:11:18,800 parentheses not parentheses the right 3634 02:11:22,830 --> 02:11:19,920 grammar 3635 02:11:25,669 --> 02:11:22,840 sometimes spelling is off 3636 02:11:27,589 --> 02:11:25,679 um it takes a lot of work it's it's 3637 02:11:29,109 --> 02:11:27,599 almost it's almost easier for me to do 3638 02:11:31,589 --> 02:11:29,119 it sometimes when i'm on twitter and 3639 02:11:33,350 --> 02:11:31,599 just live tweeting i have a patreon 3640 02:11:35,270 --> 02:11:33,360 already um 3641 02:11:36,470 --> 02:11:35,280 i don't put it up there i hate doing it 3642 02:11:39,109 --> 02:11:36,480 but 3643 02:11:42,709 --> 02:11:39,119 my patreon is up um 3644 02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:45,750 so yeah i have that and i have my my 3645 02:11:50,790 --> 02:11:48,960 paypal too and venmo 3646 02:11:52,629 --> 02:11:50,800 some folks said i should take crypto 3647 02:11:53,750 --> 02:11:52,639 which i have to look into 3648 02:11:56,390 --> 02:11:53,760 um 3649 02:11:58,310 --> 02:11:56,400 and i also have to add 3650 02:12:00,390 --> 02:11:58,320 cash app i think they said 3651 02:12:03,109 --> 02:12:00,400 but 3652 02:12:08,470 --> 02:12:03,119 i gotta go soon ten more minutes 3653 02:12:12,550 --> 02:12:10,550 when will we see hd pictures of hd 3654 02:12:15,030 --> 02:12:12,560 footage i would like you know whatever 3655 02:12:17,270 --> 02:12:15,040 our representatives are seeing is enough 3656 02:12:19,109 --> 02:12:17,280 to impress them for 3657 02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:19,119 senator gillibrand to break not rake 3658 02:12:22,390 --> 02:12:20,400 that guy over the coals but she's 3659 02:12:23,830 --> 02:12:22,400 obviously into it i'm really curious 3660 02:12:25,189 --> 02:12:23,840 what they're seeing 3661 02:12:26,790 --> 02:12:25,199 um 3662 02:12:28,310 --> 02:12:26,800 and if lou is right and they're gonna be 3663 02:12:29,270 --> 02:12:28,320 able to tell us what they're seeing 3664 02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:29,280 without 3665 02:12:33,750 --> 02:12:31,360 you know before we get to videos i'd be 3666 02:12:34,390 --> 02:12:33,760 happy describe what you're seeing tell 3667 02:12:36,550 --> 02:12:34,400 us 3668 02:12:37,990 --> 02:12:36,560 senator gillibrand senator 3669 02:12:39,669 --> 02:12:38,000 uh heinrich i want to know what you're 3670 02:12:41,350 --> 02:12:39,679 seeing that's not you know has nothing 3671 02:12:42,709 --> 02:12:41,360 to do with sources and methods as david 3672 02:12:43,750 --> 02:12:42,719 heights brought up and i brought up to 3673 02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:43,760 lou and he's like well we're getting 3674 02:12:47,750 --> 02:12:45,760 close to that i think 3675 02:12:49,510 --> 02:12:47,760 thanks mr sin 3676 02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:49,520 i think i'm gonna go now i'm gonna eat 3677 02:12:53,830 --> 02:12:51,840 i'm gonna let the dog pee and poop and 3678 02:12:56,310 --> 02:12:53,840 thanks for being here 3679 02:12:58,069 --> 02:12:56,320 and sorry about the time out v but i 3680 02:13:00,709 --> 02:12:58,079 wanted to see what timeout did i never 3681 02:13:01,589 --> 02:13:00,719 did time out before 3682 02:13:03,270 --> 02:13:01,599 um 3683 02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:03,280 talk to you guys soon 3684 02:13:05,830 --> 02:13:04,400 and 3685 02:13:08,229 --> 02:13:05,840 i'll have a whole bunch of transcripts 3686 02:13:10,470 --> 02:13:08,239 coming out this week 3687 02:13:11,750 --> 02:13:10,480 with lots of links and i'll do videos i 3688 02:13:13,830 --> 02:13:11,760 got to do more videos where i'm just 3689 02:13:15,750 --> 02:13:13,840 talking about that stuff 3690 02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:15,760 summarizing it i know people are doing 3691 02:13:20,310 --> 02:13:18,560 it but i need to do more of it 3692 02:13:21,669 --> 02:13:20,320 thanks guys i was like i've never had 3693 02:13:24,390 --> 02:13:21,679 that many people on here at once but 3694 02:13:26,149 --> 02:13:24,400 that's because of lou so 3695 02:13:27,669 --> 02:13:26,159 yeah thanks everybody i see all your 3696 02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:27,679 thank yous 3697 02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:37,910 thanks teresa